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Aeolus451 on 22 January 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Aeolus451 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actually Nintendo start talking about new platform in January 2013, that doesnt mean they decided back than to release new platform in 2016 exactly, they probably chose 2016. like launch year sometime in 2014. when they realized that Wii U want take off.

This whole Iwata quote is from January 2013, basically exactly 3 years ago. So nobody can say they rushing with 2016. release date when basically they planning new platform around 4 years (at end of 2016. will be around 4 years).

 

Iwata:

Last year Nintendo reorganized its R&D divisions and integrated the handheld device and home console development teams into one division under Mr. Takeda. Previously, our handheld video game devices and home video game consoles had to be developed separately as the technological requirements of each system, whether it was battery-powered or connected to a power supply, differed greatly, leading to completely different architectures and, hence, divergent methods of software development. However, because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. We discussed this point, and we ultimately concluded that it was the right time to integrate the two teams.

For example, currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms. Also, as technological advances took place at such a dramatic rate, and we were forced to choose the best technologies for video games under cost restrictions, each time we developed a new platform, we always ended up developing a system that was completely different from its predecessor. The only exception was when we went from Nintendo GameCube to Wii. Though the controller changed completely, the actual computer and graphics chips were developed very smoothly as they were very similar to those of Nintendo GameCube, but all the other systems required ground-up effort. However, I think that we no longer need this kind of effort under the current circumstances. In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.

Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130qa/02.html

 

Sounds like they are headed towards something like ipod, iphone, ipad with their handheld and console. 

Yes, thats probably most obvious thing about NX.

 


Obvious? I don't know how many nintendo fans think it's completely one device.



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Aeolus451 on 22 January 2016
wombat123 said:
Aeolus451 said:

 

Sounds like they are headed towards something like ipod, iphone, ipad with their handheld and console. 

Yeah, that's why a lot of us assume that the NX will have a handheld and console form factor whenever we speculate about it.

 


Do you think nitendo will release them in different launch windows?



Miyamotoo on 22 January 2016
Aeolus451 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Aeolus451 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actually Nintendo start talking about new platform in January 2013, that doesnt mean they decided back than to release new platform in 2016 exactly, they probably chose 2016. like launch year sometime in 2014. when they realized that Wii U want take off.

This whole Iwata quote is from January 2013, basically exactly 3 years ago. So nobody can say they rushing with 2016. release date when basically they planning new platform around 4 years (at end of 2016. will be around 4 years).

 

Iwata:

Last year Nintendo reorganized its R&D divisions and integrated the handheld device and home console development teams into one division under Mr. Takeda. Previously, our handheld video game devices and home video game consoles had to be developed separately as the technological requirements of each system, whether it was battery-powered or connected to a power supply, differed greatly, leading to completely different architectures and, hence, divergent methods of software development. However, because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. We discussed this point, and we ultimately concluded that it was the right time to integrate the two teams.

For example, currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms. Also, as technological advances took place at such a dramatic rate, and we were forced to choose the best technologies for video games under cost restrictions, each time we developed a new platform, we always ended up developing a system that was completely different from its predecessor. The only exception was when we went from Nintendo GameCube to Wii. Though the controller changed completely, the actual computer and graphics chips were developed very smoothly as they were very similar to those of Nintendo GameCube, but all the other systems required ground-up effort. However, I think that we no longer need this kind of effort under the current circumstances. In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.

Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130qa/02.html

 

Sounds like they are headed towards something like ipod, iphone, ipad with their handheld and console. 

Yes, thats probably most obvious thing about NX.

 


Obvious? I don't know how many nintendo fans think it's completely one device.

Obvious from their whole talk about new platform and NX.

I don't think many Nintendo fans thinks its completly one device.





wombat123 on 22 January 2016
Aeolus451 said:
wombat123 said:

Yeah, that's why a lot of us assume that the NX will have a handheld and console form factor whenever we speculate about it.

 


Do you think nitendo will release them in different launch windows?

I don't know but I'm confident that the handheld version will come first if it's released in two phases since it's Nintendo's stronger market, portable gaming is way more popular in Japan (and honestly, Nintendo seems like they only care about what the Japanese think), it would probably be cheaper and the 3DS audience is ready to upgrade.





Lusche on 22 January 2016

I still believe the NX won't release before holiday 2017.
Must be the new Xbtwo they are talking about.

Kappa

 

But dunno what will happen. If its the NX we will see the signs soon enough.



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playhard on 22 January 2016

Next gen computerchips are going in production end of 2016 (new ASML machine)
Nintendo should use new gen chips in the NX and other state of the art hardware.
Otherwise they'll be repeating their Wii U errors. With better hardware and better advertizing the Wii U would've been the leading current gen console.



Nem on 23 January 2016
Soundwave said:
Nem said:
 

 

Yes! You're not to get proof until Nintendo shows it. So, why not wait for the announcement rather than trying to pass fantasy for fact(not saying you specifically, but several people)? None of this has even been hinted by Nintendo. The whole fusion thing for example, completely made up in the internet and people pass it as fact.

Its not. Just understand that we know nothing and wait for the unveil. Discussing it is all and good, but there is nowhere to draw certainties from.

I don't know where you are seeing horror though. Are you looking at this as these things are beeing said cause people have a personal wish for the Wii U to carry on? As far as i know Nintendo themselves have also said that they will continue to support the Wii U. So, who knows? All we know is that they will reveal "details" about the NX this year. Thats it. 

So, i do wish we would dial it back and wait until we know what the NX actually is. But... the internet.

Thing is you keep saying "these are coming from nowhere" but they're not. They're coming from comments direct from Iwata (with regards to the unification stuff and wanting a new definition of video games ready for about 2016, he even gave a direct time line), patent leaks, reports from reliable, proven sources (ie: Nikkei has a proven track record with Nintendo stories, they are the ones reporting that NX dev kits were given to third parties a few months ago). 

It's not like people randomly making these things up from out of thin air. There's an awful lot of smoke here and a fairly estbalished pattern of behavior from Nintendo as to how they act when they have moved on from a console (Wii U has all the tell tale signs of Nintendo bailing out on it). 

 

It is coming out of nowhere. Its wild interpretation of what he said. Nintendo put their teams in the same building so they could share tech and resources towards speeding up development on all projects and have easier generational transitions. This looking at how much Nintendo HD games get delayed is obviously a good idea because they aren't confortable with it.

He did not say: "Oh and were gonna have the same system with 2 versions". The whole apple thing of constant iterations is a pipe dream of hardware manufacturers. It will NEVER work on the console market.



Conina on 23 January 2016
Nem said:
Soundwave said:

Thing is you keep saying "these are coming from nowhere" but they're not. They're coming from comments direct from Iwata (with regards to the unification stuff and wanting a new definition of video games ready for about 2016, he even gave a direct time line), patent leaks, reports from reliable, proven sources (ie: Nikkei has a proven track record with Nintendo stories, they are the ones reporting that NX dev kits were given to third parties a few months ago). 

It's not like people randomly making these things up from out of thin air. There's an awful lot of smoke here and a fairly estbalished pattern of behavior from Nintendo as to how they act when they have moved on from a console (Wii U has all the tell tale signs of Nintendo bailing out on it). 

 

It is coming out of nowhere. Its wild interpretation of what he said. Nintendo put their teams in the same building so they could share tech and resources towards speeding up development on all projects and have easier generational transitions. This looking at how much Nintendo HD games get delayed is obviously a good idea because they aren't confortable with it.

He did not say: "Oh and were gonna have the same system with 2 versions". The whole apple thing of constant iterations is a pipe dream of hardware manufacturers. It will NEVER work on the console market.

"Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

Why did Iwata promote a common platform for all future Nintendo devices to avoid game shortages, if they want to keep the handheld and home console libraries separate?



zorg1000 on 23 January 2016
Conina said:
Nem said:
Soundwave said:

Thing is you keep saying "these are coming from nowhere" but they're not. They're coming from comments direct from Iwata (with regards to the unification stuff and wanting a new definition of video games ready for about 2016, he even gave a direct time line), patent leaks, reports from reliable, proven sources (ie: Nikkei has a proven track record with Nintendo stories, they are the ones reporting that NX dev kits were given to third parties a few months ago). 

It's not like people randomly making these things up from out of thin air. There's an awful lot of smoke here and a fairly estbalished pattern of behavior from Nintendo as to how they act when they have moved on from a console (Wii U has all the tell tale signs of Nintendo bailing out on it). 

 

It is coming out of nowhere. Its wild interpretation of what he said. Nintendo put their teams in the same building so they could share tech and resources towards speeding up development on all projects and have easier generational transitions. This looking at how much Nintendo HD games get delayed is obviously a good idea because they aren't confortable with it.

He did not say: "Oh and were gonna have the same system with 2 versions". The whole apple thing of constant iterations is a pipe dream of hardware manufacturers. It will NEVER work on the console market.

"Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

Why did Iwata promote a common platform for all future Nintendo devices to avoid game shortages, if they want to keep the handheld and home console libraries separate?

 

"Certainly from a development standpoint there is some challenge to it, because if you have two devices that have different specs and you're being told to design in a way that the game runs on both devices, then that can be challenging for the developer—but if you have a more unified development environment and you're able to make one game that runs on both systems instead of having to make a game for each system, that's an area of opportunity for us."

Also this quote from Miyamoto.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Aidah on 23 January 2016
Miyamotoo said:

AMD had their Q4 Financial Results briefing and confirmed that they expect a big semi-custom win (i.e. a new game console SoC) to ship in 2nd half of 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVFjvFpryCw&t=1m46s

Well, you can just go ahead and tell if it's true, Miyamoto...o.