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o_O.Q on 17 January 2016
DonFerrari said:

Well it's just like we previously said about houses that have bathroom catching fire... they are correlated in that almost all houses with bathroom catch fire so perhaps we should get rid of all bathroom.

How do they concluded that reducing the punishment the violent crimes reduced? In Brazil we have 30y maximum sentence for any crime and most criminals leave the jail after only 10y and our crimes have been rampaging.

 

"How do they concluded that reducing the punishment the violent crimes reduced? "


nah its no "they" its me i just posted my conclusion

my conclusion could be wrong though since i haven't really done much research on this and its a pretty complex issue



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DonFerrari on 17 January 2016
o_O.Q said:
DonFerrari said:

Well it's just like we previously said about houses that have bathroom catching fire... they are correlated in that almost all houses with bathroom catch fire so perhaps we should get rid of all bathroom.

How do they concluded that reducing the punishment the violent crimes reduced? In Brazil we have 30y maximum sentence for any crime and most criminals leave the jail after only 10y and our crimes have been rampaging.

"How do they concluded that reducing the punishment the violent crimes reduced? "

nah its no "they" its me i just posted my conclusion

my conclusion could be wrong though since i haven't really done much research on this and its a pretty complex issue

I see... perhaps it have more to do with the % of convicted cases versus crimes comitted instead of the severity of the punishment.

What use have capital punishment if you catch 0,1% of the criminals that will suffer it against a 5 years reclusion with 95% punishment rate?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

A_C_E on 17 January 2016
o_O.Q said:

no, in the same way that someone being born with six toes doesn't defy science... there are exceptions but generalisations are used so a baseline can be established

So then you agree it is not bound by sex?

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so you are using a condition where a woman is sick with some illness to corroborate your case? do i really need to go into why that is nonsensical?

That's not the point at all. The fact that PCOS is as common as it is and can go undetected for years just shows the validity of my argument. Testosterone in women can go as high as 400 ng/dL. The average male will have over 600 ng/dL but many men are born with testosterone levels as low as 280 ng/dL. There are women who will produce more testosterone than men and this was my point.

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"Any psychological state that a woman can be in, a male can be in as well and vice-versa"

yeah never said otherwise

If this is the case then how are we psychologically different? If women and men were psychologically different we would have different psychological states. As individuals we can have damaged brains, improper brain functions due to certain chemicals reaching too many parts of the brain (OCD as an example) but no psychological condition only exists in only men or only women.

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the scientific method is based on observations... if you aren't using observations then what are you using?

Your's and my observation is employed through our senses whereas in science observation is recorded through technology goverend by our senses otherwise known as empirical evidence. Look up the difference between anecdotal and empirical, they both use our senses but that doesn't make them the same.

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fun fact for you women share even more DNA with us! amazing right? doesn't mean shit though since i wasn't talking about differences on the genetic level

This was used to show how flawed our simple observation could be, that's all. I think that means some sort of shit.

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no that's not specifically what i was talking about... the body secretes various hormones throughout our development that push our physical development... if you don't have those hormones at the right levels then your body won't develop as it would be expected to develop

Oh for sure it won't develop as it would be expected to develop but developing into a womens body is another thing and it starts at the XY sex-determination system.

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no that's not what i said... i said methods like these are being used to guilt and shame men into having a particular mindset where beliefs like "men and women are the same" may take root  even though observable reality tells you that its a silly belief

but regardless i apologise for making that claim as it wasn't at all relevant anyway

Apology accepted, not that I was asking for one, so it's big of you to apologize. But just to clear up again that I am not talking about social acceptence of women or the social viewpoints of women.

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uh yeah exceptions do exist but we know that muscular men tend to be more aggressive than men that are flabby, yes its a generalisation, yes there are exceptions like with every classification

I'm arguing for the exceptions to highlight that aggression, or any form of expression for that matter, is not only pertaining to a single gender group. But that's not even where the discussion started and I sincerely don't think we are going to end this discussion with an agreement.

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lol are you really posting an example of a behavioral condition triggered by physiological short comings as proof that there is no link between the two? now that is funny

Yes since this behavioral condition can be walked upon with high testosterone levels as well as a normal level of testosterone levels and both cases can have the same or different effects.


A_C_E on 17 January 2016
DonFerrari said:

You already answered yourself way back... when you say chimps differ like 0,5% from human on DNA and the differences are so big then you supposition of only 0,5% between man and woman on physicological side then how could you say that difference isn't enough for all we are supposing

What does the gap between people and chimps have to do with the gap between the physical nature of men and women? Nothing, other than to showcase that our simple perception is not indicative of reality.



DonFerrari on 17 January 2016
A_C_E said:
DonFerrari said:

You already answered yourself way back... when you say chimps differ like 0,5% from human on DNA and the differences are so big then you supposition of only 0,5% between man and woman on physicological side then how could you say that difference isn't enough for all we are supposing

What does the gap between people and chimps have to do with the gap between the physical nature of men and women? Nothing, other than to showcase that our simple perception is not indicative of reality.

If they have no relation then why did you brought it? Or you'll throw everything at the wall and see what sticks?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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A_C_E on 17 January 2016
DonFerrari said:

If they have no relation then why did you brought it? Or you'll throw everything at the wall and see what sticks?

To showcase that our simple perception is not indicative of reality. Take it for what it's worth.





DonFerrari on 17 January 2016
A_C_E said:
DonFerrari said:

If they have no relation then why did you brought it? Or you'll throw everything at the wall and see what sticks?

To showcase that out simple perception is not indicative of reality. Take it for what it's worth.

I see. Ok then. Still from what we have we can't remove the co-relation between the gender and psycological side in general having differences towards man and woman even if individually a man could be inside the common steriotype of woman and vice-versa.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

A_C_E on 17 January 2016

DonFerrari said:

 I see. Ok then. Still from what we have we can't remove the co-relation between the gender and psycological side in general having differences towards man and woman even if individually a man could be inside the common steriotype of woman and vice-versa.

Our neurological pathways exist the same whether you're a man or a woman.





DonFerrari on 17 January 2016
A_C_E said:

DonFerrari said:

 I see. Ok then. Still from what we have we can't remove the co-relation between the gender and psycological side in general having differences towards man and woman even if individually a man could be inside the common steriotype of woman and vice-versa.

Our neurological pathways exist the same whether you're a man or a woman.

And the reason why man and woman through tens of thousand of years have show opposite aspects is due to?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

o_O.Q on 17 January 2016
A_C_E said:
o_O.Q said:

no, in the same way that someone being born with six toes doesn't defy science... there are exceptions but generalisations are used so a baseline can be established

So then you agree it is not bound by sex?

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so you are using a condition where a woman is sick with some illness to corroborate your case? do i really need to go into why that is nonsensical?

That's not the point at all. The fact that PCOS is as common as it is and can go undetected for years just shows the validity of my argument. Testosterone in women can go as high as 400 ng/dL. The average male will have over 600 ng/dL but many men are born with testosterone levels as low as 280 ng/dL. There are women who will produce more testosterone than men and this was my point.

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"Any psychological state that a woman can be in, a male can be in as well and vice-versa"

yeah never said otherwise

If this is the case then how are we psychologically different? If women and men were psychologically different we would have different psychological states. As individuals we can have damaged brains, improper brain functions due to certain chemicals reaching too many parts of the brain (OCD as an example) but no psychological condition only exists in only men or only women.

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the scientific method is based on observations... if you aren't using observations then what are you using?

Your's and my observation is employed through our senses whereas in science observation is recorded through technology goverend by our senses otherwise known as empirical evidence. Look up the difference between anecdotal and empirical, they both use our senses but that doesn't make them the same.

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fun fact for you women share even more DNA with us! amazing right? doesn't mean shit though since i wasn't talking about differences on the genetic level

This was used to show how flawed our simple observation could be, that's all. I think that means some sort of shit.

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no that's not specifically what i was talking about... the body secretes various hormones throughout our development that push our physical development... if you don't have those hormones at the right levels then your body won't develop as it would be expected to develop

Oh for sure it won't develop as it would be expected to develop but developing into a womens body is another thing and it starts at the XY sex-determination system.

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no that's not what i said... i said methods like these are being used to guilt and shame men into having a particular mindset where beliefs like "men and women are the same" may take root  even though observable reality tells you that its a silly belief

but regardless i apologise for making that claim as it wasn't at all relevant anyway

Apology accepted, not that I was asking for one, so it's big of you to apologize. But just to clear up again that I am not talking about social acceptence of women or the social viewpoints of women.

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uh yeah exceptions do exist but we know that muscular men tend to be more aggressive than men that are flabby, yes its a generalisation, yes there are exceptions like with every classification

I'm arguing for the exceptions to highlight that aggression, or any form of expression for that matter, is not only pertaining to a single gender group. But that's not even where the discussion started and I sincerely don't think we are going to end this discussion with an agreement.

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lol are you really posting an example of a behavioral condition triggered by physiological short comings as proof that there is no link between the two? now that is funny

Yes since this behavioral condition can be walked upon with high testosterone levels as well as a normal level of testosterone levels and both cases can have the same or different effects.

 

"So then you agree it is not bound by sex?"

 

i didn't say it was i said that it is influenced by sex... do you understand that there's a difference?

 

"The fact that PCOS is as common as it is"

 

lol so you are indeed using a sickness to corroborate your case?

 

"Testosterone in women can go as high as 400 ng/dL."

 

lol for a short period of time while sick?

 

" many men are born with testosterone levels as low as 280 ng/dL. "

 

born? you do understand that i was reffering to when a male is fully developed right?

 

"There are women who will produce more testosterone than men and this was my point."

 

lol so sick women while sick can temporarily produce more testosterone than males who have not fully developed... airtight case right there my good man

 

"If this is the case then how are we psychologically different? If women and men were psychologically different we would have different psychological states. "

 

we occupy different emotional states to varying degrees... obviously

 

"but no psychological condition only exists in only men or only women."

 

which regardless of whether its true or not is irrelevant

 

" Look up the difference between anecdotal and empirical"

 

well its a good thing that i wasn't using anecdotal evidence then

 

"Oh for sure it won't develop as it would be expected to develop but developing into a womens body is another thing and it starts at the XY sex-determination system."

 

yes it starts there but the point i'm making is that hormones at the correct levels are required to complete the developmental process

or to break this down to a ridiculously simple level a woman will not develop into a woman if hormones are not produced at the right levels... oh my damn god

 

"Yes since this behavioral condition can be walked upon with high testosterone levels as well as a normal level of testosterone levels"

 

well that's your assertion i'm pretty confident that you have nothing to back it up but regardless - its a behavioral condition that is supposedly triggered by shortness/physiology right? what does that do for your argument?