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Forums - Nintendo - It's November 21st 2016. The NX is out and more powerful than the PS4. Are 3rd parties on board?

 

3rd party multiplats

Support the NX 224 41.87%
 
Ignore the NX 311 58.13%
 
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JRPGfan on 04 January 2016
Normchacho said:
You're forgetting the key factor in whether the NX gets support or not. It cannot, and I mean CANNOT, have a gimmick. If third party devs need to alter the way a game plays to allow it to work on the console it's dead the moment they announce it.

That's it. They make it easy for devs to port their games and there's a good chance they'll be on board. There are still tings that could go wrong, but if they don't, they might as well not even bother with the rest. Just make whatever they want and hope they don't sell less than the Wii U.

^ this.

3rd parties that want multiplat games on systems, dont like "unique" systems that asks developers to do weird extra work for your system.

It needs to be easy to develope for (as easy as the others).





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zorg1000 on 04 January 2016
Illusion said:

If those are the only things that the NX has going for it, then I don't think 3rd parties will jump onboard. We already have a semi-clone of the PS4 on the market and it isn't doing nearly as well as the PS4. If Nintendo comes in and tries to go for the exact same market as Sony and Microsoft without bringing a unique concept forward that really sets them apart then I think we will once again be in the Gamecube days where Nintendo has a powerful but poor-selling console that most serious gamers see as "too kiddy."

Fortunately, Nintendo is going for a "new concept" but we just don't know what that is. Cloud-based processing? Handheld/Console Hybrid? LCD with on-screen buttons? There are lots of rumors but I do believe that whatever this new concept is will give Nintendo a unique angle in the market that nobody else has right now.

Nintendo doesn't necessarily need to break the world with a Wii-like success, but they do need the NX to sell more than 30 million units. When 30 million starts to seem attainable, 3rd parties will begin to find it economical to port games to the NX. Third parties are quite simple: they will be there if Nintendo can create the market for them to be profitable but they are not going to create the initial success for the NX.

Good analysis and I agree completely. With Nintendo their initial success is never dependant on 3rd parties, multiplats in peticular, it has always come down to whether or not Nintendo was able to create a device and software that captivated an audience. 3rd parties help a lot and are more than welcome but it will always be what Nintendo does that determines whether or not their platform is a success.





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LipeJJ on 04 January 2016
zorg1000 said:
Regardless of how powerful NX is, 3rd parties will have a wait and see approach, they will give limited support at first and further support will be dependant on how successful their games sell.

 


Pretty much this. I'd only ad that if the NX is weaker than a XB1 it would be hard to get even this "test" support from the get go, since optmization process would require more time/resources.



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Normchacho on 04 January 2016
JWeinCom said:
Normchacho said:
You're forgetting the key factor in whether the NX gets support or not. It cannot, and I mean CANNOT, have a gimmick. If third party devs need to alter the way a game plays to allow it to work on the console it's dead the moment they announce it.

That's it. They make it easy for devs to port their games and there's a good chance they'll be on board. There are still tings that could go wrong, but if they don't, they might as well not even bother with the rest. Just make whatever they want and hope they don't sell less than the Wii U.

 


No, it has to have a gimmick, because if it's essentially the same as the already successful PS4, there is no market for it.  

 

No, it's needs to have a draw. A draw and a gimmick aren't the same thing. Motion controls, that's a gimmick. A PS4 that plays Nintendo games, that's a draw. A console that has a large, diverse library of games for both kids and their parents, that's a draw. A Nintendo console that isn't hindered by weak hardware and a dearth of thrid party content makes a very good case for itself.



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JRPGfan on 04 January 2016
JWeinCom said:
Normchacho said:

No, it has to have a gimmick, because if it's essentially the same as the already successful PS4, there is no market for it.  

The "market" for it is Nintendo putting out quality games, that you can only play on the NX.

That is the "only" gimmick it needs.

 

Nintendo need to stop going overboard with gimmicks and just focus on putting out more and better quality games than it already does.

Thats it... the end, nothing more needed.  3rd party games + mario/zelda on 1 console => winner in my book.

That alone should put nintendo back into a healthy competitive state.





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wombat123 on 04 January 2016
JWeinCom said:
Normchacho said:
You're forgetting the key factor in whether the NX gets support or not. It cannot, and I mean CANNOT, have a gimmick. If third party devs need to alter the way a game plays to allow it to work on the console it's dead the moment they announce it.

That's it. They make it easy for devs to port their games and there's a good chance they'll be on board. There are still tings that could go wrong, but if they don't, they might as well not even bother with the rest. Just make whatever they want and hope they don't sell less than the Wii U.

 


No, it has to have a gimmick, because if it's essentially the same as the already successful PS4, there is no market for it.  

If the rumors are true then I think a unified software library and the ability to play all your games on the big screen or on the go would be gimmick enough.  I do hope they use those scrolling shoulder buttons like on that patent though because it would add a lot of convience in gameplay.





zorg1000 on 04 January 2016
Normchacho said:
JWeinCom said:

 


No, it has to have a gimmick, because if it's essentially the same as the already successful PS4, there is no market for it.  

 

No, it's needs to have a draw. A draw and a gimmick aren't the same thing. Motion controls, that's a gimmick. A PS4 that plays Nintendo games, that's a draw. A console that has a large, diverse library of games for both kids and their parents, that's a draw. A Nintendo console that isn't hindered by weak hardware and a dearth of thrid party content makes a very good case for itself.

Gimmick is literally anything used to attract attention so a draw and a gimmick for the most part are the same thing.





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rakugakist on 04 January 2016

I don't think 3rd party developers will be rushing. I also don't think 2016 will be when it comes out. PS4 and XOne already have big install bases. The power doesn't matter. The big N has never been about having the most powerful console anyways. The SNES is really the only console they released that was better than competition And I personally like the Mega Drive.

What Nintendo needs to do, and this just my opinion, but go back to making sweet innovative titles, marketing them better and make it affordable. Mario 64 wowed the world. Galaxy was awesome. Super Mario 3D World wasn't that great. And felt more like a 2D game on a 3D plane, than an actual 3D Mario game.

Nintendo's biggest asset is their first party. Make a good Metroid game, Make an actual 3D Mario, make a better controller. I love Nintendo, and grew up with an NES, but to attract third parties they need to sell consoles world wide.



Normchacho on 04 January 2016
wombat123 said:
JWeinCom said:

 


No, it has to have a gimmick, because if it's essentially the same as the already successful PS4, there is no market for it.  

If the rumors are true then I think a unified software library and the ability to play all your games on the big screen or on the go would be gimmick enough.  I do hope they use those scrolling shoulder buttons like on that patent though because it would add a lot of convience in gameplay.

 

Aaaaaaaaannnnd that would be the death of the NX.

There are only 2 ways that works and both of them are failures.

1. It's just a handheld with remote play for the home console. If that's the case, nobody cares. It's not an effective gimmick to attract attention to the system. Remote play is old news.

2. The power gap between the handheld and the home console is fairly small, small enough to allow them to play nearly the same games. This means that either the home console is weak, or the handheld is expensive, maybe both.



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Normchacho on 04 January 2016
zorg1000 said:
Normchacho said:

 

No, it's needs to have a draw. A draw and a gimmick aren't the same thing. Motion controls, that's a gimmick. A PS4 that plays Nintendo games, that's a draw. A console that has a large, diverse library of games for both kids and their parents, that's a draw. A Nintendo console that isn't hindered by weak hardware and a dearth of thrid party content makes a very good case for itself.

Gimmick is literally anything used to attract attention so a draw and a gimmick for the most part are the same thing.


Semantically speaking yes, but there is a big difference between making something to draw attention, and making a desirable product.



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