true but that didnt work and i dont think it will. If they are not bringing in new consumers to Ninty that means those games arent being brought, cause its clear that the Ninty fanbase either doesnt care about those games or they have a platform to play those games already. What do you do? Cause its clear that the system cant support some genres, i cant remember the last time a saw an FPS or openworld game on Wii U and those are the most popular genres right now.

Ok that makes more sense. But IMHO i dont think thats the way it works, these companies dont have infinite resources and money they are always going to go for the platform that game could sell the most on or do best on and it just seems to be Sony this gen, hell it hasnt been Ninty since SNES. whether a JRPG does better on Wii U than a shooter is irrelevant if it can do even better somewhere else.

True, but so what? big western publishers dont have to there are a bunch of indies that do it, bunch of platformers release on the new HD twins no one really cares if its released by a big publisher or not. Didnt MS make that Ori game? Sony just put out Tearaway unfolded, Ubi Rayman. They exist but to say only Ninty is doing them is wrong.

Again I'm going to tell go back and read the post otherwise move on because your post is only coming across as daft and desperately trying to jump in, I flat out mentioned the userbase aren't going to cling to late ports, games that aren't well handled or poor practices by third parties, NFS, DE are late ports, COD and AC weren't handled well and Rayman was sent to die being delayed from March to September a month when GTA was released and close to when SM3DW's release this only further backs my stance. To further highlight how out of touch your post here is Rayman stopped being a big seller ages ago yet the Wii U version outsold the 360 and X1 versions but trust you to be selective on that point especially as it's near enough sold the same amount as the PS3 version with only the PS4 version outselling it so don't give me any nonsense on that.

W101 is as niche as an action game can get if you don't see that then kindly jog on, it's the most technical action game out there with a high skill barrier that requires people to improve their skill, all of this in an unorthadorx approach to the genre. Funny thing is it has outsold other action titles like DMC4:SE, NG and so on on other platforms but again we know you'll avoid that particular point. ZombiU's sales are at 950k retail far from a bomb meanwhile the other versions barely even register, Ubisoft said they lost money and that's their own fault because they scrapped the game from it's original concept and started it again sorry this is you twisting information a sign of desperation, you want to stay clear of the other versions in an argument because it proves what I'm saying on bad handling from third parties leads to bad results.

The 3DS version of LCS is a separate game which shoots down that whole argument before it even takes off which is hilarious.

You must be living in your own world here, Bayo2 is the best action title of this gen so don't pass your BS on it not trying because the reaction to the game being Wii U exclusive highlights what a move it was, it's even more laughable that you mention games that in no chance would be exclusive to any platform as your counter, you'd have to be out out of touch or high to even post that. AC3 is trash, it's one of the worst in the franchise and the again the userbase don't buy into yearly insatllments read the original post you responded because you're asking questions that have already been answered if not move along.

Again why should Nintendo try to push developers who half assed it, Nintendo would be better off with a unified library as their total output each years is near enough what third parties put out on other platforms. That way the userbase would be getting games that aren't handled like rubbish, these developers had already commited to Sony with the PS3 before it even launched not even the same scenario, PS3 was getting destroyed but guess what the developers were still on board because they had already committed. It's far better for Nintendo to unify the library then do second party deals then bother with third parties who don't want to put in any effort.

Late ports...ill get to that. Rayman on Wii U should have not been outsold by any other version PERIOD, especially not a LATE port(back to it). or be on par with a last gen version, considering the Wii U version was supposed to be the definitive version as stated by Ubi themselves and Wii U fans were pushing, even then it didnt do fantastic. W101 sure is a niche game, but again Wii U fans were pushing it as the 3rd coming they only changed there tune once the flop could not be denied(look at the game wall) Those games released in the launch window and only just reached a million and they were bundled, nothing to be proud of especially considering there are remasters on PS4/X1 that did much better much quicker.

To some degree Nintendo's always going to have demographic issues when it comes to third party content, because all of the major third party content that's significant and that even "Nintendo fans" clamour for ("aw c'mon Ubi Soft don't give us this mini-game shit, we want the big franchises!") tend to be violent action games or sports games.

And this is a problem because Nintendo's family friendly/kids image and the way in which they make their hardware and market it is usually for kids-first (not kids-only, but definitely family-first/kids first).

And that alienates the audience base for these types of games, hence Nintendo has problems selling to this demographic.

Even on the Wii where they had a massive userbase, the "non-family" Nintendo titles like Metroid Prime 3, Xenoblade, Sin & Punishment, The Last Story, (and now Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U) ... none of these games really sold any better than they would have on the GameCube. Probably less actually.

How you solve this problem I'm not sure, Nintendo has problems here, hardware is definitely one huge issue, but demographics are another.

They have not had a huge hit that wasn't a family-centric franchise since GoldenEye in 1997. After the N64-era they allowed themselves to be cornered into that "kids console" stereotype more easily and backed away from a lot of the good initiatives NOA had going in the 90s. 

Thats your opinion, i was never a fan of the series but thats my opinon. Too bad sales dont reflect it being the best action title (and no VGchartz is overtracking by a lot, and its not even being printed in the US anymore) I live in the world where it didnt do too hot, the real world. They dont buy into yearly franchises? Wii U or Ninty in general? cause if its th latter Pokemon says hi. ANd if they really dont, good? guess they wont get COD, AC and pretty much all the sports games? Those games that have huge fanbases? 

They were already getting games that didnt handle like rubbish, the Nintendo ones, so what now? youre going to get ONE more Mario Kart a gen, One more Mario platformer a gen? Maybe get a real Metroid this time around? Thats fine if you love Ninty games but what about everyone else? what about expanding there userbase. Cause Ninty doesnt have anything thats comparable to say GTA, Fallout, The Witcher, etc. Now maybe they dont need those games, but then i dont know how people expect the NX to do gangbusters, cause i dont think more of the same is the answer. Again you still havent answered my question, why doesnt Ninty have to put in any effort? Its not on 3rd parties to go to them, they dont NEED to.

Was Far Cry Vengeance for the Wii open world? Not the best example (38 Metacritic score) but it's the only one I can think of. :P

But if Nintendo doesn't try to solve its 3rd party problem, they will always be alone, and with developing cost on the rise and they not really expanding their teams at the same speed, they are going to be overwhelmed in a generation. They fusing their HH and HC effords is a good idea, but just a momentary solution.

Either Nintendo grows to fill the gaps of their lineups, or get enough 3rd party support to do so. They don't need PS level of support, getting 1/3-1/5 of the AAA games Playstation gets would be enough to fill a good schedule.

Funny because as sales go it's outsold most if not all the other action titles this gen by miles, I'm not going by my opinion I'm going by critical and fan reception and don't give non of that VGC is overtracked crap that people throw around when the numbers don't back their arguments, you're on this site so their numbers are relevant.

Pokemon is yearly so what new mainline Pokemon released in 2015?

The last part of your post is seriously wtf, are you playing dumb, the won't be 2 MK games and so on the would only be one installment for the library like any other gen this frees up development teams to work on other things like new IPs like Splatoon and help speed up development of already establish games. The fact that you put that argument togther indicates you're on tilt, Rol in the other thread already addressed the whole illusion of expanding the userbase that is nothing more then a temporary solution that changes nothing and yes I have answered you question numerous times if you still don't get it don't waste my time all you need to do is read.

I think ur misunderstanding, I'm not saying developers should dump a ton of resources into Nintendo, just that when they do decide to develop a game for Nintendo, they should take demographic and genres that do well into account.