Of course, let's pray that don't happen.

Of course there will be games, the hope now is for better 3rd party games support among other things demanded by gamers now

Agreed, they definitely need more appeal than they had with Wii U. Not that the Wii U didn't have third party support at the beginning of its life, but more of a hope they can keep it longer than a year, lol.

Why would you not want sony or ms, to make slim versions of their consoles?

cheaper "slim" version that make less noise/heat/power consumption, its a win for the consumers.

If it catches on it will because nerds such as myself are very pleased and blown away by it and then I convince my non-nerd friends to check out it and then they see the potential and buy one.

Sometimes people are so optimistic that it seems fantasy. What a thread. Had fun reading all posts.

Let's go with a play out where:

- Sony and MS don't reveal slim consoles
- Where Sony don't release VR or screw up the reveal
- Where MS and Sony don't show any AAA games worth getting excited about.
- Where MS and Sony don't reveal any interesting FW updates

Nintendo will need to:

- unveil new AAA games
- Reveal a proper new console at the right price with decent specs
- Make sure the reveal isn't as bad as the WiiU one
- Reveal games for it that will be ready for launch that will be badass.

Then there is the question of what success looks like:

- Is it when Nintendo fans think Nintendo won
- Is it when the media thinks Nintendo won
- Is it when winning E3 translates to high sales

I personally think the only way Nintendo can win with both sales and E3 is by creating another Wii, whatever gimmick or new style of gaming it might involve. If the industry has positioned itself to push VR, Nintendo will find it hard to get away from their shadow.

However, if they make a console that's as powerful as the PS4 or more powerful, with a handheld that matches it (since rumours say it's a hybrid device), then Nintendo can very easily partner up with one of the VR brands. In fact Nintendo might then be the only developer with a handheld console that can do VR.

Outside of VR, I don't think Nintendo has a huge enough consumer market to make their next console a success on par with PS4 or X1.

WTF am I even reading...

You know how often people that play games risk missing their bus or train stop? putting on a VR helmet inside a bus/train is just asking for problems.

Also whos going to want to carry around a helmet for gameing on the go? yeah.... thats a big no no.

VR + handheld doesnt work, its a use at home sort of deal only.

Also I really doubt theres any handheld powerfull enough (now or in near future) to run real VR with a helmet.

A 299, super slim console.

Errrr in the real world, casual gamers and the general gaming public tend to not give a shit about either at the moment.