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Soundwave said:

This trilogy seems like it will still fixate on the Skywalker/Solo lineage. I guess if you don't like that you're going to have to get off the bus, but that was always Lucas' own idea. It seems like Abrams kinda re-did it in a slightly different way. 

I have The Art Of TFA book and it basically from what I gather the original plot line that Lucas and Michael Arndt were writing had two leads ... a young guy and a young girl. They meet Luke Skywalker half way through the story. There's a "Jedi Killer" character. Apparently what this leads to is the guy turns to the Dark Side, girl becomes good. 

It looks like Abrams just combined the Jedi Killer and "boy who turns bad" into one character (Kylo Ren). The female character ("Kira") looks like she became Rey. 

I don't mind Skywalker stuff but like I said, more originality.

That Jedi Killer thing already sounds more interesting than 'New Hope: The Sequel but Bigger'. :P





Hmm, pie.

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thismeintiel said:

    Now, some may say, "Well, the OG SW didn't explain it all, either."  True.  Here's the problem, though.  That was technically the first movie.  It was setup so simply that it didn't really need explaining.  Even if you look at it as technically a 4th chapter, we already knew it was a 4th at the start.  So, if we ever wanted it all explained, we would just have to wait for the prequels.  This movie, however, is the next chapter after ROTJ, so it just starting with little to no explanation of why/how things got the way they are isn't really excusable.

 

I am not a big Star Wars guy so let me make sure I am reading this right...

You are saying that the original Star Wars movie not explaining everything outright back in the 70s was ok because it was originally planned to be the 4th movie?  And that people going to see this movie in the 70s knew about this going in and were already willing to wait something around 30 years to get their information?

Too many people are expecting far too much exposition in a Star Wars movie because there is already too much information out there.  The now defunct EU, 6 other films, TV series, etc etc.  If the information didn't pertain to the direct plot, it didn't necessarily need to be in the dialogue.

Every movie has plot holes (well, most do anyway), especially those trying to both move something forward and appeal to older fans at the same time.



Scoobes said:
5. I didn't think it was that bad. The prequels had so much of it I was expecting a lot worse.

4. Did you miss the part where she touched Luke's lightsaber? I think it would be obvious that she's connected to Luke and the Jedi in some way. It's not as if Leia can go considering she's a General. That only really leaves Chewie, but he doesn't have any link to the Force to help him in the search.

3. This is probably the most ridiculous complaint about the film I've read. It's like people need to have everything immediately fed to them on a platter instead of thinking things through. There are another two films to come in the trilogy whilst some of the questions you asked can be answered by paying attention to the film and others are there for you to develop theories for the next film(s).

2. I got the feeling Ren was far more immature in training than he initially appeared and I wouldn't be surprised to find Rey has had training as a young child (fan theory!). I don't think Snoke really trained him particularly other than to use his anger. In all the interactions with Snoke I got the impression Ren was powerful but ultimately very immature in his training.

1. OK, I actually get this one. I also kinda understand why they decided to do it in this way. It's not so much a complete remake as a huge nostalgia trip that also serves to pass the torch for the next two films. May have borrowed a bit too much though.

5. Yes, it was better directed than any Lucas film (He's not that great of a director, honestly.).

4. Yes, this makes perfect sense: Leia is a general and never left her post in IV-VI, but Rey has no obligations to the Resistance.

3. Yes, people have been very impetulant about not knowing everything now. In Episode IV, we didn't know Vader was Luke's father, who Jabba was, that the Emperor even existed, that Yoda existed, that Luke and Leia were siblings, etc. All of these elements were massive plot points to the trilogy that explain why everyone was where they were in IV and why there appeared to be so much coincidence. I think this may be an expectation rooted in us all having known the story of I-VI for 40 some odd years now.

2. If Ren was Leia's son and Rey was Luke's daughter, then we should expect Rey to be stronger in the force (Luke's stronger attunement is established by the rest of the SW universe.). She also has staff skills (show in the film), so saber-wielding is not foreign to her. Ren is basically Anakin/Vader, who choked people out left and right, except with half (HALF!) of the experience. Finally, Ren took a bowcaster shot from Chewie and still fought on; the movie made a point to establish how powerful it is (blows two Stormtrooper away, simultaneously.). Dude was hurt.

1. If Rey is Luke's daughter, it makes sense that he would have protected her the way Obi-Wan protected him (because it totally worked). It also makes sense that he would have left the map there for her. 



thismeintiel said:

5.  For the most part it was good.  Just those 2 I mentioned stood out as just ok (Kanata) and poor (Snoke.)

4.  They had an exact map to him (for some God unknown reason), so no one who had a link to the Force was necessary.  And I think Leia would have gone no matter what position she is.  I mean she was a Princess in the OG trilogy.  Did that stop her from joining the Rebellion?  Or anything that happened in those movies?  Nope.  And this is her brother.  One she hasn't seen in years.

3. When you have to argue in hyperbole, then you have already lost.  No one wants it spoon fed to them.  They just want something.  This movie didn't hint at things for us to fill in, it merely left things blank.  And fan theories are fine if they are trying to fill in grey areas that are hinted at.  However, they are not fine when they are covering up for poor and/or absentee writing, filling in black spaces the sequels most likely won't address. That's what fanboys have been doing for the prequels for years, trying to act as if they are not poorly written.

2.  Even if she had training as a child, that would have only been for about 3-4 years, if she started around 4 or 5.  She has forgotten it completely by the time the movie started, so about 15 years of not using it.  So, there is no way she should have mastered it so quickly even when she was training.  Unless they want to do another LOK thing where she masters everthing at a very young age, which is BS.  Not even Anakin, who the prequels made Jedi Jesus mastered the Force at such a young age.  So, girl power it is?

4. Do you know where exactly on the planet he is? It was a star map but that doesn't exactly narrow it down. Sending someone that had obvious links to Luke and the Force was perfectly acceptable in my eyes.

3. A lot of the blanks felt like they were build up for the next film or a in some cases were actually answered in the film is what I'm getting at. This is billed as the first film in a trilogy so it's only expected that some blanks wil exist. Just as many questions were left unanswered at the end of Episode IV and there were no concrete plans for a sequel at that stage. 

2. At a conscious level she would have forgotten it imo, but the movie makes it clear she's a natural in the same way Luke was able to use it to destroy the death star in Ep4 and 9 year old Anakin was able to win the pod race. Even a little bit of training would be enough to kickstart her abilities at a sub-conscious level. I think part of it was also to show just how immature and lacking in higher training Kylo Ren actually is. He worships Darth Vader but he's clearly not even close in ability. Even his lightsaber beam suggests a poorly constructed lightsaber suggesting either poor discipline, poor training or both.



Lawlight said:
Yeah, why did they send Rey to meet with Luke? That made no sense at all. Abrams wanted her to do everything of importance in this movie.

I didn't like Finn either - his motivations were weak and he had zero character development.

I liked Finn.  But, I will agree he was rushed, too.  He just starts in a battle, sees someone die on his side, and regrets being on the NO's side.  They could have had a quick scene of him talking to his buddy, who maybe was talking to him about the Rebellion and feeling sorry for them.  Finn, not having fought in a battle, yet, can't see how his friend could pity them.  Then, the battle/massacre scene plays out the same.  Wouldn't have felt as rushed.

walsufnir said:

4. The Nazi Scene.

How bad was this, actually? I mean, it's nice to talk in pictures but this was so obvious and in the face... Well, mass appeal and to make it understand for everyone.

Completely agree.  LOTR did a similar scene much better and wasn't as on the nose.  This just seems like it was put in there to make the NO seem even more evil, and overall, served no point.  Almost cartoonish.  Especially since we have never seen anything like this in SW, even though the Empire were involved in large battles, as well.

The Fury said:

I was so confused when all that started coming up. So Empire was defeated and a New Republic was established but then a new 'Evil' organisation existed and the 'Resistance' was the only one opposing it? Something seems off.

The idea of how things work in a political setting is that in order for a 'resistance' to exist they would have to oppose a political power who were in charge. The First Order aren't in charge... they are essentially the 'rebel' group. The Resistance and Republic would be on the same side here, well technically there resistance wouldn't exist at all. Not only that, The First Order just destroyed the political centre of the Republic and that Republic probably had representation and important people on it from every represented system in the galaxy. They took out a few planets and just made an enemy of every system in the galaxy, if they weren't already. It wouldn't only be the Resistance responding with force, it would be everyone.

 

The film was entertaining but in my view full of plot holes because it was trying to fill it with 'nostalgia' instead of creating somethign fresh set in the Star Wars universe.

Yes, I think it would have been much better to have Kylo Ren the main villian.  Forget Snoke.  Have him rebuilding the Empire, which would make him a resistance against the New Republic, who is now on the side of the Old Rebellion.  It would also make more sense to have the Starkiller (which could have been abandonned by the Empire in favor of the mobile Death Star) in the last movie, where the Republic would be sending more troops to help defeat the NO.  And the NO would be getting larger and larger throughout the other two movies, finally getting the Starkiller in operational order and using it against the Republic.  The Rebellion and New Republic sends all of their troops to defeat the vast majority of the NO, who are stationed on the Starkiller.

They played the Starkiller, or at least its destruction, way too early.  What are they going to do for the final film?  "Oh, we just happened to have another bigger, better Starkiller."  Talk about really pulling from the OG SW trilogy.



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Scoobes said:
thismeintiel said:

5.  For the most part it was good.  Just those 2 I mentioned stood out as just ok (Kanata) and poor (Snoke.)

4.  They had an exact map to him (for some God unknown reason), so no one who had a link to the Force was necessary.  And I think Leia would have gone no matter what position she is.  I mean she was a Princess in the OG trilogy.  Did that stop her from joining the Rebellion?  Or anything that happened in those movies?  Nope.  And this is her brother.  One she hasn't seen in years.

3. When you have to argue in hyperbole, then you have already lost.  No one wants it spoon fed to them.  They just want something.  This movie didn't hint at things for us to fill in, it merely left things blank.  And fan theories are fine if they are trying to fill in grey areas that are hinted at.  However, they are not fine when they are covering up for poor and/or absentee writing, filling in black spaces the sequels most likely won't address. That's what fanboys have been doing for the prequels for years, trying to act as if they are not poorly written.

2.  Even if she had training as a child, that would have only been for about 3-4 years, if she started around 4 or 5.  She has forgotten it completely by the time the movie started, so about 15 years of not using it.  So, there is no way she should have mastered it so quickly even when she was training.  Unless they want to do another LOK thing where she masters everthing at a very young age, which is BS.  Not even Anakin, who the prequels made Jedi Jesus mastered the Force at such a young age.  So, girl power it is?

4. Do you know where exactly on the planet he is? It was a star map but that doesn't exactly narrow it down. Sending someone that had obvious links to Luke and the Force was perfectly acceptable in my eyes.

3. A lot of the blanks felt like they were build up for the next film or a in some cases were actually answered in the film is what I'm getting at. This is billed as the first film in a trilogy so it's only expected that some blanks wil exist. Just as many questions were left unanswered at the end of Episode IV and there were no concrete plans for a sequel at that stage. 

2. At a conscious level she would have forgotten it imo, but the movie makes it clear she's a natural in the same way Luke was able to use it to destroy the death star in Ep4 and 9 year old Anakin was able to win the pod race. Even a little bit of training would be enough to kickstart her abilities at a sub-conscious level. I think part of it was also to show just how immature and lacking in higher training Kylo Ren actually is. He worships Darth Vader but he's clearly not even close in ability. Even his lightsaber beam suggests a poorly constructed lightsaber suggesting either poor discipline, poor training or both.

4.  We'll just have to agree to disagree here.

3. I highly doubt they are going to address the background of the NO and New Republic.  If they do it'll feel forced and reek of exposition overload, as its the 2nd movie and the audience wants the plot to move forward.  This is why the first movie in the trilogy is supposed set up what we are seeing to begin with, just a few tidbits here and there.  Especially since this is a sequel to a movie where the Empire was defeated.  The Rebellion won and would have a great impact on how the New Republic would be established.  That's why we can't just except how things are started.  It makes absolutely no sense.

2.  Neither Luke nor Anakin were shown to be naturals in the Force.  Luke had to be taught by Obi Wan about its existence and shown how to tap into it.  All Luke really used it for in the first movie was to help him see the target he was aiming for.  The exact same way he used it to see the training droid in the Millennium Falcon.  He could barely bring his lightsaber to him on Hoth without great effort and concentration.  He struggled greatly with training with Yoda.  And even though I hated the prequels, at least Anakin had to train before mastering the force and pulling off things like moving objects, the Mind Trick, or effectively using a lightsaber.  You can attribute him winning the race to the force, but I mostly took that as a cheap way to call back to when Obi Wan said he was the best pilot.  He still had to train from a kid til about his mid-late 20s before he could face Count Dooku without getting his ass handed to him.  So, yea...girl power it is.



thismeintiel said:

3. I highly doubt they are going to address the background of the NO and New Republic.  If they do it'll feel forced and reek of exposition overload, as its the 2nd movie and the audience wants the plot to move forward.  This is why the first movie in the trilogy is supposed set up what we are seeing to begin with, just a few tidbits here and there.  Especially since this is a sequel to a movie where the Empire was defeated.  The Rebellion won and would have a great impact on how the New Republic would be established.  That's why we can't just except how things are started.  It makes absolutely no sense.

2.  Neither Luke nor Anakin were shown to be naturals in the Force.  Luke had to be taught by Obi Wan about its existence and shown how to tap into it.  All Luke really used it for in the first movie was to help to see the target he was aiming for.  The exact same way he used it to see the training droid in the Millennium Falcon.  He could barely bring his lightsaber to him on Hoth without great effort and concentration.  He struggled greatly with training with Yoda.  And even though I hated the prequels, at least Anakin had to train before mastering the force and pulling off things likemoving objects or effectively using a lightsaber.  You can attribute him winning the race to the force, but I mostly took that as a cheap way to call back to when Obi Wan said he was the best pilot.  He still had to train from a kid til about his mid-late 20s before he could face Count Dooku without getting his ass handed to him.  So, yea...girl power it is.

3. To be honest I don't think they need to. Just because they killed the Emperor and "won" the war doesn't mean they've effectively finished the job and a new republic could easily be formed. The Empire would still have a large number of troops, technology and weapons available to them not to mention the power vacuum which was clearly taken up by a rather powerful new Sith (whose origins will likely be alluded to in the next two films).

Just look at how things work in real-life. The US "won" the war in Iraq and took out Saddam Hussein, but the resulting turmoil has lead to the formation of Islamic State who in many ways are a lot worse. In the space of 30(?) years I could totally see how the Star Wars Galaxy ended up looking as it did at the start of Force Awakens. We don't need to see the full backstory as this will likely be a string of boring political mishaps (and be as boring as certain sections of the prequels).

2. You realise Luke trained with Yoda for all of a few days? Of course he struggled but he still managed to hold his own against his father who had many more years of training and experience. It's not like Rey actually faced up against a Sith Master either as it was obvious that Kylo Ren was merely an apprentice and a poor one at that. I'll admit that we need an explaination for Rey's ease of use with the Force, but I fully expect that to happen in the next film.



thismeintiel said:
Scoobes said:
thismeintiel said:

5.  For the most part it was good.  Just those 2 I mentioned stood out as just ok (Kanata) and poor (Snoke.)

4.  They had an exact map to him (for some God unknown reason), so no one who had a link to the Force was necessary.  And I think Leia would have gone no matter what position she is.  I mean she was a Princess in the OG trilogy.  Did that stop her from joining the Rebellion?  Or anything that happened in those movies?  Nope.  And this is her brother.  One she hasn't seen in years.

3. When you have to argue in hyperbole, then you have already lost.  No one wants it spoon fed to them.  They just want something.  This movie didn't hint at things for us to fill in, it merely left things blank.  And fan theories are fine if they are trying to fill in grey areas that are hinted at.  However, they are not fine when they are covering up for poor and/or absentee writing, filling in black spaces the sequels most likely won't address. That's what fanboys have been doing for the prequels for years, trying to act as if they are not poorly written.

2.  Even if she had training as a child, that would have only been for about 3-4 years, if she started around 4 or 5.  She has forgotten it completely by the time the movie started, so about 15 years of not using it.  So, there is no way she should have mastered it so quickly even when she was training.  Unless they want to do another LOK thing where she masters everthing at a very young age, which is BS.  Not even Anakin, who the prequels made Jedi Jesus mastered the Force at such a young age.  So, girl power it is?

4. Do you know where exactly on the planet he is? It was a star map but that doesn't exactly narrow it down. Sending someone that had obvious links to Luke and the Force was perfectly acceptable in my eyes.

3. A lot of the blanks felt like they were build up for the next film or a in some cases were actually answered in the film is what I'm getting at. This is billed as the first film in a trilogy so it's only expected that some blanks wil exist. Just as many questions were left unanswered at the end of Episode IV and there were no concrete plans for a sequel at that stage. 

2. At a conscious level she would have forgotten it imo, but the movie makes it clear she's a natural in the same way Luke was able to use it to destroy the death star in Ep4 and 9 year old Anakin was able to win the pod race. Even a little bit of training would be enough to kickstart her abilities at a sub-conscious level. I think part of it was also to show just how immature and lacking in higher training Kylo Ren actually is. He worships Darth Vader but he's clearly not even close in ability. Even his lightsaber beam suggests a poorly constructed lightsaber suggesting either poor discipline, poor training or both.

4.  We'll just have to agree to disagree here.

3. I highly doubt they are going to address the background of the NO and New Republic.  If they do it'll feel forced and reek of exposition overload, as its the 2nd movie and the audience wants the plot to move forward.  This is why the first movie in the trilogy is supposed set up what we are seeing to begin with, just a few tidbits here and there.  Especially since this is a sequel to a movie where the Empire was defeated.  The Rebellion won and would have a great impact on how the New Republic would be established.  That's why we can't just except how things are started.  It makes absolutely no sense.

2.  Neither Luke nor Anakin were shown to be naturals in the Force.  Luke had to be taught by Obi Wan about its existence and shown how to tap into it.  All Luke really used it for in the first movie was to help him see the target he was aiming for.  The exact same way he used it to see the training droid in the Millennium Falcon.  He could barely bring his lightsaber to him on Hoth without great effort and concentration.  He struggled greatly with training with Yoda.  And even though I hated the prequels, at least Anakin had to train before mastering the force and pulling off things like moving objects, the Mind Trick, or effectively using a lightsaber.  You can attribute him winning the race to the force, but I mostly took that as a cheap way to call back to when Obi Wan said he was the best pilot.  He still had to train from a kid til about his mid-late 20s before he could face Count Dooku without getting his ass handed to him.  So, yea...girl power it is.

 

Luke blows up a Death Star while holding off  Darth "Best Pilot In the Galaxy" Vader with his *eyes closed* after 10 minutes of Force "training". C'mon, lol. 

This is like me dunking on Shaquille O' Neal and LeBron James after playing basketball for 10 minutes. Even if I'm a naturally gifted athlete, this is fairly hard to believe. 

Anakin is a 9-year-old who with zero training is the only human who has reflexes fast enough to race pods, and he build robots as a hobby, oh and by the way his mom got randomly impregnated by the Force. Oh and of course he wins the pod race that saves Qui-Gon's ass after never completing a race before. Of course. Nothing CRAZY about any of that, lol. Like seriously. SERIOUSLY?

Anakin's abilities were wildly all over the place. He's generally a wuss in Episode II and III get chumped and beaten in 2/3 big battles he has. I thought his mdididicholrians were supposed to be 1043848x any Jedi. Apparently no one told Obi-Wan. Chosen One? More like Chosen Chump. Even Luke is able to more than hold his own against Vader in ESB and then beats him like red headed step child six months later in ROTJ. 

Star Wars is not a video game, it's a space opera/soap opera like George Lucas himself has said. Don't get so caught up in the "Sith Dude X/Y has super duper power XYZ! It's improssubule for him to lose to girl!" Star Wars was never about that type of nonsense. It's not WWE Wrestling. 

Of course Rey is going to beat Kylo Ren at the end of the movie, what you thought she was going to lose? That would be like A New Hope ending with Luke blowing his Death Star run and having Porkins bail him out. Not quite the same thing, but hey "it's more relaistic!". 



Soundwave said:

Luke blows up a Death Star while holding off  Darth "Best Pilot In the Galaxy" Vader with his *eyes closed* after 10 minutes of Force "training". C'mon, lol. 

This is like me dunking on Shaquille O' Neal and LeBron James after playing basketball for 10 minutes. Even if I'm a naturally gifted athlete, this is fairly hard to believe. 

Anakin is a 9-year-old who with zero training is the only human who has reflexes fast enough to race pods, and he build robots as a hobby, oh and by the way his mom got randomly impregnated by the Force. Oh and of course he wins the pod race that saves Qui-Gon's ass after never completing a race before. Of course. Nothing CRAZY about any of that, lol. Like seriously. SERIOUSLY?

Anakin's abilities were wildly all over the place. He's generally a wuss in Episode II and III get chumped and beaten in 2/3 big battles he has. I thought his mdididicholrians were supposed to be 1043848x any Jedi. Apparently no one told Obi-Wan. Chosen One? More like Chosen Chump. Even Luke is able to more than hold his own against Vader in ESB and then beats him like red headed step child six months later in ROTJ. 

Star Wars is not a video game, it's a space opera/soap opera like George Lucas himself has said. Don't get so caught up in the "Sith Dude X/Y has super duper power XYZ! It's improssubule for him to lose to girl!" Star Wars was never about that type of nonsense. It's not WWE Wrestling. 

Of course Rey is going to beat Kylo Ren at the end of the movie, what you thought she was going to lose? That would be like A New Hope ending with Luke blowing his Death Star run and having Porkins bail him out. Not quite the same thing, but hey "it's more relaistic!". 

 

I guess  bad writing in one movie should excuse bad writing in another.



Soundwave said:
thismeintiel said:
Scoobes said:
thismeintiel said:

5.  For the most part it was good.  Just those 2 I mentioned stood out as just ok (Kanata) and poor (Snoke.)

4.  They had an exact map to him (for some God unknown reason), so no one who had a link to the Force was necessary.  And I think Leia would have gone no matter what position she is.  I mean she was a Princess in the OG trilogy.  Did that stop her from joining the Rebellion?  Or anything that happened in those movies?  Nope.  And this is her brother.  One she hasn't seen in years.

3. When you have to argue in hyperbole, then you have already lost.  No one wants it spoon fed to them.  They just want something.  This movie didn't hint at things for us to fill in, it merely left things blank.  And fan theories are fine if they are trying to fill in grey areas that are hinted at.  However, they are not fine when they are covering up for poor and/or absentee writing, filling in black spaces the sequels most likely won't address. That's what fanboys have been doing for the prequels for years, trying to act as if they are not poorly written.

2.  Even if she had training as a child, that would have only been for about 3-4 years, if she started around 4 or 5.  She has forgotten it completely by the time the movie started, so about 15 years of not using it.  So, there is no way she should have mastered it so quickly even when she was training.  Unless they want to do another LOK thing where she masters everthing at a very young age, which is BS.  Not even Anakin, who the prequels made Jedi Jesus mastered the Force at such a young age.  So, girl power it is?

4. Do you know where exactly on the planet he is? It was a star map but that doesn't exactly narrow it down. Sending someone that had obvious links to Luke and the Force was perfectly acceptable in my eyes.

3. A lot of the blanks felt like they were build up for the next film or a in some cases were actually answered in the film is what I'm getting at. This is billed as the first film in a trilogy so it's only expected that some blanks wil exist. Just as many questions were left unanswered at the end of Episode IV and there were no concrete plans for a sequel at that stage. 

2. At a conscious level she would have forgotten it imo, but the movie makes it clear she's a natural in the same way Luke was able to use it to destroy the death star in Ep4 and 9 year old Anakin was able to win the pod race. Even a little bit of training would be enough to kickstart her abilities at a sub-conscious level. I think part of it was also to show just how immature and lacking in higher training Kylo Ren actually is. He worships Darth Vader but he's clearly not even close in ability. Even his lightsaber beam suggests a poorly constructed lightsaber suggesting either poor discipline, poor training or both.

4.  We'll just have to agree to disagree here.

3. I highly doubt they are going to address the background of the NO and New Republic.  If they do it'll feel forced and reek of exposition overload, as its the 2nd movie and the audience wants the plot to move forward.  This is why the first movie in the trilogy is supposed set up what we are seeing to begin with, just a few tidbits here and there.  Especially since this is a sequel to a movie where the Empire was defeated.  The Rebellion won and would have a great impact on how the New Republic would be established.  That's why we can't just except how things are started.  It makes absolutely no sense.

2.  Neither Luke nor Anakin were shown to be naturals in the Force.  Luke had to be taught by Obi Wan about its existence and shown how to tap into it.  All Luke really used it for in the first movie was to help him see the target he was aiming for.  The exact same way he used it to see the training droid in the Millennium Falcon.  He could barely bring his lightsaber to him on Hoth without great effort and concentration.  He struggled greatly with training with Yoda.  And even though I hated the prequels, at least Anakin had to train before mastering the force and pulling off things like moving objects, the Mind Trick, or effectively using a lightsaber.  You can attribute him winning the race to the force, but I mostly took that as a cheap way to call back to when Obi Wan said he was the best pilot.  He still had to train from a kid til about his mid-late 20s before he could face Count Dooku without getting his ass handed to him.  So, yea...girl power it is.

 

Luke blows up a Death Star while holding off  Darth "Best Pilot In the Galaxy" Vader with his *eyes closed* after 10 minutes of Force "training". C'mon, lol. 

This is like me dunking on Shaquille O' Neal and LeBron James after playing basketball for 10 minutes. Even if I'm a naturally gifted athlete, this is fairly hard to believe. 

Anakin is a 9-year-old who with zero training is the only human who has reflexes fast enough to race pods, and he build robots as a hobby, oh and by the way his mom got randomly impregnated by the Force. Oh and of course he wins the pod race that saves Qui-Gon's ass after never completing a race before. Of course. Nothing CRAZY about any of that, lol. Like seriously. SERIOUSLY?

Anakin's abilities were wildly all over the place. He's generally a wuss in Episode II and III get chumped and beaten in 2/3 big battles he has. I thought his mdididicholrians were supposed to be 1043848x any Jedi. Apparently no one told Obi-Wan. Chosen One? More like Chosen Chump. Even Luke is able to more than hold his own against Vader in ESB and then beats him like red headed step child six months later in ROTJ. 

Star Wars is not a video game, it's a space opera/soap opera like George Lucas himself has said. Don't get so caught up in the "Sith Dude X/Y has super duper power XYZ! It's improssubule for him to lose to girl!" Star Wars was never about that type of nonsense. It's not WWE Wrestling. 

Of course Rey is going to beat Kylo Ren at the end of the movie, what you thought she was going to lose? That would be like A New Hope ending with Luke blowing his Death Star run and having Porkins bail him out. Not quite the same thing, but hey "it's more relaistic!". 

 

You're trying too hard. Dial it back a little.

-Luke survived Vader in Episode 4 because Han came back and saved him.  He said earlier to Han that " He was a heck of a pilot and told Obi Wan that they didn't need him. He closed his eyes for one shot, calling back to his lesson about the Force on the Millennium Falcon. He also said he use to "bullseye wump rats in his old ship and they were no bigger than a couple of meters". Remember that?

-Skywalkers are great pilots and skilled with machines. That's always been the thing. Anakin showed he was the best pilot during Episode 3. Even the DVD commentary mentions this. In fact, the commentary for the movies mention most of your complaints.

-In Episode V, Vader is toying with Luke to get him to join the Dark Side. He knocks him down, taunts him, etc. When Luke lands a lucky blow (like Finn did), Vader "disarms him". Anakin is the chosen one but he's also damaged and part machine. He's not in his prime anymore. The DVD for episode ii (or maybe ep i) says it's " The prime of Jedi' and one of the first times we see Jedi who aren't old (Obi Wan) or crippled (Vader). He's chosen to bring balance and kill the emperor, not be the best fighter.  Plus there is more to power than saber skills.