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Soundwave on 04 January 2016
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thismeintiel said:
Scoobes said:
thismeintiel said:

5.  For the most part it was good.  Just those 2 I mentioned stood out as just ok (Kanata) and poor (Snoke.)

4.  They had an exact map to him (for some God unknown reason), so no one who had a link to the Force was necessary.  And I think Leia would have gone no matter what position she is.  I mean she was a Princess in the OG trilogy.  Did that stop her from joining the Rebellion?  Or anything that happened in those movies?  Nope.  And this is her brother.  One she hasn't seen in years.

3. When you have to argue in hyperbole, then you have already lost.  No one wants it spoon fed to them.  They just want something.  This movie didn't hint at things for us to fill in, it merely left things blank.  And fan theories are fine if they are trying to fill in grey areas that are hinted at.  However, they are not fine when they are covering up for poor and/or absentee writing, filling in black spaces the sequels most likely won't address. That's what fanboys have been doing for the prequels for years, trying to act as if they are not poorly written.

2.  Even if she had training as a child, that would have only been for about 3-4 years, if she started around 4 or 5.  She has forgotten it completely by the time the movie started, so about 15 years of not using it.  So, there is no way she should have mastered it so quickly even when she was training.  Unless they want to do another LOK thing where she masters everthing at a very young age, which is BS.  Not even Anakin, who the prequels made Jedi Jesus mastered the Force at such a young age.  So, girl power it is?

4. Do you know where exactly on the planet he is? It was a star map but that doesn't exactly narrow it down. Sending someone that had obvious links to Luke and the Force was perfectly acceptable in my eyes.

3. A lot of the blanks felt like they were build up for the next film or a in some cases were actually answered in the film is what I'm getting at. This is billed as the first film in a trilogy so it's only expected that some blanks wil exist. Just as many questions were left unanswered at the end of Episode IV and there were no concrete plans for a sequel at that stage. 

2. At a conscious level she would have forgotten it imo, but the movie makes it clear she's a natural in the same way Luke was able to use it to destroy the death star in Ep4 and 9 year old Anakin was able to win the pod race. Even a little bit of training would be enough to kickstart her abilities at a sub-conscious level. I think part of it was also to show just how immature and lacking in higher training Kylo Ren actually is. He worships Darth Vader but he's clearly not even close in ability. Even his lightsaber beam suggests a poorly constructed lightsaber suggesting either poor discipline, poor training or both.

4.  We'll just have to agree to disagree here.

3. I highly doubt they are going to address the background of the NO and New Republic.  If they do it'll feel forced and reek of exposition overload, as its the 2nd movie and the audience wants the plot to move forward.  This is why the first movie in the trilogy is supposed set up what we are seeing to begin with, just a few tidbits here and there.  Especially since this is a sequel to a movie where the Empire was defeated.  The Rebellion won and would have a great impact on how the New Republic would be established.  That's why we can't just except how things are started.  It makes absolutely no sense.

2.  Neither Luke nor Anakin were shown to be naturals in the Force.  Luke had to be taught by Obi Wan about its existence and shown how to tap into it.  All Luke really used it for in the first movie was to help him see the target he was aiming for.  The exact same way he used it to see the training droid in the Millennium Falcon.  He could barely bring his lightsaber to him on Hoth without great effort and concentration.  He struggled greatly with training with Yoda.  And even though I hated the prequels, at least Anakin had to train before mastering the force and pulling off things like moving objects, the Mind Trick, or effectively using a lightsaber.  You can attribute him winning the race to the force, but I mostly took that as a cheap way to call back to when Obi Wan said he was the best pilot.  He still had to train from a kid til about his mid-late 20s before he could face Count Dooku without getting his ass handed to him.  So, yea...girl power it is.

 

Luke blows up a Death Star while holding off  Darth "Best Pilot In the Galaxy" Vader with his *eyes closed* after 10 minutes of Force "training". C'mon, lol. 

This is like me dunking on Shaquille O' Neal and LeBron James after playing basketball for 10 minutes. Even if I'm a naturally gifted athlete, this is fairly hard to believe. 

Anakin is a 9-year-old who with zero training is the only human who has reflexes fast enough to race pods, and he build robots as a hobby, oh and by the way his mom got randomly impregnated by the Force. Oh and of course he wins the pod race that saves Qui-Gon's ass after never completing a race before. Of course. Nothing CRAZY about any of that, lol. Like seriously. SERIOUSLY?

Anakin's abilities were wildly all over the place. He's generally a wuss in Episode II and III get chumped and beaten in 2/3 big battles he has. I thought his mdididicholrians were supposed to be 1043848x any Jedi. Apparently no one told Obi-Wan. Chosen One? More like Chosen Chump. Even Luke is able to more than hold his own against Vader in ESB and then beats him like red headed step child six months later in ROTJ. 

Star Wars is not a video game, it's a space opera/soap opera like George Lucas himself has said. Don't get so caught up in the "Sith Dude X/Y has super duper power XYZ! It's improssubule for him to lose to girl!" Star Wars was never about that type of nonsense. It's not WWE Wrestling. 

Of course Rey is going to beat Kylo Ren at the end of the movie, what you thought she was going to lose? That would be like A New Hope ending with Luke blowing his Death Star run and having Porkins bail him out. Not quite the same thing, but hey "it's more relaistic!".