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Sony screwed this holiday up no question there but the first 3 quarters where pretty good. If R&C and Uncharted where not delayed it would have been a good instead of decent year. Microsoft opened nicely with Ori and ended very good. For me it's a bit of a tie definitly not a crushing victorie for Xone like this article wants to imply.



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pokoko said:
It's kind of funny, really.

It's like you have a kid who has screwed up a lot and a kid who has been conscientious right from the start. The screw-up starts doing better and gets overly praised for it, while the good kid gets a disapproving frown if it pulls a B+ on a test.

Right now, Microsoft's best move is that they started out so badly. They can literally do anything and they get a doggy treat and a pat on the head.

That's fine, though. The bad part here is that major publications seem to be racing to see who can pull down the PS4. They aren't judging with the same criteria and they appear to be picking at any loose threads to see if they can find hidden faults. Most of the compliments are grudging and usually followed with a shallow criticism.

What is the agenda here? Why are they going out of their way to be less than fair? It's an interesting question.

Also, I've got to say, I question the intelligence of any writer who cannot see the difference between a major publisher like Square whoring out a multi-platform series as a timed exclusive and a new, independent Japanese studio forming a one-game partnership with Sony.

Another annoyance is how, for some reason, exclusives only count if you release them during the holiday season--a period that is already crammed with blockbusters. If there is ever a time when you should not release most exclusives, it's during the holiday season. Just ask Tomb Raider.

It's probably to appear neutral. I was listening to Jim Sterling talk about it. False Equivalency or something like that, its trying to even the playing field by bringing up one and putting down the other to appear netural.

But at this point its so skewed that its pretty damn obvious.

All they can say is PS4 hasn't done anything, and XB1 has improved greatly.

Even though in my opinion, I'd say they both have improved about the same.


Addendum: This is standard practice, there's no need to pretend that it doesn't exist. Plus it creates controversy (see this thread), and that brings in Ad Revenue.



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Shiken said:

Missed a few...

 

X1 got...

 

Rare replay

 

PS4 got...

 

Sword Art Online Hollow Fragment

Dragon Quest Heros

Disgaea 5

Final Fantasy 14 Heavensword

Sword Art Online Lost Song

Uncharted Collection

 

If you are going to pick apart a false statement that tries to claim that MS provides more for X1 than Sony for PS4, don't sell your argument short.  ;)

 

Now lets look at 1st party only...

 

MS has...

 

Forza 5

Forza 6

Forza Horizon 2

Gears UE

Halo collection

Halo 5

 

PS4 has...

 

Killzone Shadowfall

Knack

Infamous SS

Little Big Planet 3

Driveclub

Last of Us Remastered

Uncharted Collection

MLB The show 14

MLB the show 15

God of War 3 Remastered

 

Now lets look at games they have helped fund...

 

MS has...

 

RotTR (timed)

Titanfall

Sunset Overdrive

 

PS4 has...

 

Bloodborne (actually co developed)

The Order

Until Dawn

Street Fighter V (Feb 2016)

 

Now another thing I want to point out is that I even used retail games only to make my point.  Don't get me wrong, I like my X1.  But for anyone to sit there and say MS is doing more for X1 than Sony is for PS4 is either trolling or clueless so I had to lend you a hand here lol.

 

*Drops mic

You missed the point. They are trying, but their version of trying is "more money in a single game" and not "all this money on lots of games". After seeing everything they've tried, I won't say they aren't trying. Whether they are trying more than Sony is up in the air even if I personally believe so...

LudicrousSpeed said:
Yikes, we're down to list wars. This place is worse than GameFAQS sometimes.

At least not consistently...



LudicrousSpeed said:
Yikes, we're down to list wars. This place is worse than GameFAQS sometimes.

The only thing that matters are numbers. Absolutes cannot be diminished or exaggerated.



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AsGryffynn said:

You missed the point. They are trying, but their version of trying is "more money in a single game" and not "all this money on lots of games". After seeing everything they've tried, I won't say they aren't trying. Whether they are trying more than Sony is up in the air even if I personally believe so...

The difference is you can't know how much money is put into a game, that information's private. So you specualate based on the quality of the game. In some cases, its easy. Indie vs AAA for example.

But when you're are talking AAA games against each other, if you try the same guessing all you are doing is guessing based of your preferences which are inherently biased. 

Furthermore, you assume that both companies spent the same amount of money (equity), so you just divide it arbitrarily again based on your own biases.



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AsGryffynn said:

You missed the point. They are trying, but their version of trying is "more money in a single game" and not "all this money on lots of games". After seeing everything they've tried, I won't say they aren't trying. Whether they are trying more than Sony is up in the air even if I personally believe so...

LudicrousSpeed said:
Yikes, we're down to list wars. This place is worse than GameFAQS sometimes.

At least not consistently...

 


MS is def trying, and I show my support buy buying all of their exclusives minus Forza.  As I said, I like my X1.  Often times I find myself rooting for it just to have it outshined by PS4.

 

When I look at games, I look at how much I enjoy them.  Both consoles have great looking games, so visual investments are a non factor other than PS4 just being more powerful.  RotTR is great, but it is still coming to PS4 eventually (I got it for X1 as I don't confine myself to any one console, even though I have my preferences).  Halo 5 was well done as well, but Uncharted 4 looks to be just as invested and it is right around the corner.  Also Sony co developed Bloodborne through Sony Japan studios alongside From Software, and that is the highest rated exclusive this gen so far and a new IP.

 

Now one thing I will give to the X1 is multimedia functionality.  They are making great strides in this field and take the cake here.  PS4 is a good multimedia console, but the X1 is better in this regard.  However when you look at actual focus of features, the PS4 is paving the way in terms of gaming itself.  Look at Shareplay, open network functionality  (why X1 has no FF14), paving the way for remote play, and investing in VR gaming are examples of how the PS4 trumps the X1 in gaming features (even though the X1 is component in this regard in its own way).  At the end of the day I see it as...

 

X1 multimedia first, gaming second

 

And...

 

PS4 gaming first, multimedia second

 

At the end of the day, MS has not delivered a single game that Sony has not matched in terms of quality AND there are more exclusive games on PS4 to boot.  MS is def trying and doing good, no doubt.  But to say that Sony is trying any less or is uninvested is just false.  That is all I am saying.



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CGI-Quality said:
Qwark said:

Sony screwed this holiday up no question.

I've heard this multiple times, now. Can you elaborate?

 

Quarter 4 usually has a big first party game, this year they failed to deliver that very thing. It was supposed to be Uncharted 4 or Ratchet and Clank. But neither has released during the final quarter. In therms of sales they got away with it fine though due to the high amount of anticipered third party titles.



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Qwark said:
CGI-Quality said:
Qwark said:

Sony screwed this holiday up no question.

I've heard this multiple times, now. Can you elaborate?

 

Quarter 4 usually has a big first party game, this year they failed to deliver that very thing. It was supposed to be Uncharted 4 or Ratchet and Clank. But neither has released during the final quarter. In therms of sales they got away with it fine though due to the high amount of anticipered third party titles.

 


This was better for Sony though as they would have been up against Fallout 4, BO3, Battlefront, and other big releases.  Uncharted would have taken a hit like Halo 5 did and Ratchet would have been eaten alive.  The JRPGs released were largely unaffected because they cater to a much different audience than those games.  I would much rather have steady releases through the year than a jam packed holiday everytime.

 

Trust me, this is MUCH better for Sony in the grand scheme of things.



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Qwark said:
CGI-Quality said:
Qwark said:

Sony screwed this holiday up no question.

I've heard this multiple times, now. Can you elaborate?

 

Quarter 4 usually has a big first party game, this year they failed to deliver that very thing. It was supposed to be Uncharted 4 or Ratchet and Clank. But neither has released during the final quarter. In therms of sales they got away with it fine though due to the high amount of anticipered third party titles.

Big first party games in Q4 are only b/c of the holiday boost to consoles. Price cut allieviated the need for such on PS4 as shown by Black Friday and November NPD.





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