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First and foremost, selling over 65 million units of hardware in an underperforming gen is nothing to be sniffed at.
Secondly, they are now starting a mobile venture in which their IP will reach an audience that dwarfs that of console users.
Thirdly, Im sure that if it benefited Nintendo to give up hardware and go software only they would have done so by now. Having millions of games selling on their own hardware with 100% of the profits landing in the bank, is obviously the best thing for them. As seen this gen, even small install bases like Wii U still has insane software attach rates and I dont see it changing any time soon.



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Ruler said:

Its not just Sega (jointventure with Sammy) look also at SNK (bought by chinese), Atari (bought by french), NEC/Hudson (bought by Konami).

Everyone who gave up hardware will fall lower and lower history has proven. Do you think Sony and MS would keep making and publishing games if they would stop making hardware? They would sell off their studios and completley leave gaming the way NEC did.

Ounce Nintendo would go third party you wouldnt see franchises and games being published and funded by them like Bayonetta, Fire Emblem or Xenoblade. They would be pretty worse than they are now with new IPs. More Amiibos, Remasters etc.



They gave up out of failure not choice.

All of them should be a warning where nintnendo is heading.  Following their stubborn foot steps.  Hardware sales will fall so low they wont even make money of software they will lose billions.  Will be forced to abandon hardware and will enter 3rd party from a weak standing.  

All failed as they were to broke to weather the transition, ninendo could easily pull it of now.  5 years from now if nx fails and new handleld severly underwhelms they may lack the capital to transition succesfully to 3rd party.

They could die just like all of those did.  

 





The real question should be is why "Nintendo shouldn't be a third-party" ? 

Their strongest asset which is first party IPs, are at their lowest right now ...



I expect Microsoft to go third party and ditch being a console platform first and probably the only one to do so. It would be a huge surprise to me if anyone else did.



Alex_The_Hedgehog said:
Probably because they want to play Nintendo games, but refuses to buy their platforms.

I got a wiiu and this will be the last nintendo hardware i ever buy, the maybe 7/8 games are just not worth a console purchase.  



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zippy said:
First and foremost, selling over 65 million units of hardware in an underperforming gen is nothing to be sniffed at.
Secondly, they are now starting a mobile venture in which their IP will reach an audience that dwarfs that of console users.
Thirdly, Im sure that if it benefited Nintendo to give up hardware and go software only they would have done so by now. Having millions of games selling on their own hardware with 100% of the profits landing in the bank, is obviously the best thing for them. As seen this gen, even small install bases like Wii U still has insane software attach rates and I dont see it changing any time soon.

 

Sure if corporations were not ran by stubborn pridefull often stupid arrogant people, but they are.  See how Kodak fared.  

100 year old and went bankrupt in a blink of an eye almost.  

Then ther is IBM that abandonded what made them them dropped PCs long before anyone else and looked to the future, and is mega succesfull still around doing billions upon billions of business.   



Netty said:
Their games are awesome but their consoles (hardware & software platform) are not.

I don't think Nintendo should go third party, but I would like to see them be more competitive in the creation of their platforms and to be more aggressive in marketing them. It's frustrating to see them curled up in a little ball while they get ignored by the gaming public.

As someone majoring in embedded systems design. Nintendo hardware is pretty damn amazing. Especially the SNES and Gamecube. But the MIPS-based N64 is really interesting as well.





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Kai_Mao said:

I didn't necessarily say it like that, unless you were referring to what others have said. I said the reason why Sega left the competition was because they were bleeding money and they could no longer support the Dreamcast or any future console long-term. Nintendo could possibly fare better than Sega as a third-party. But as you mentioned, fluctuating revenue would be a problem, especially if consumers are already fed up with too many Marios, Zeldas, and Pokemon at this point.

It's an interesting debate.

Btw, I apologize, again, for everyone who had to endure a long post. Just a lot of thoughts in my head regarding this topic.

My comment about SEGA was more of a general response to something that's been said many times whenever this topic has come up.

My biggest question regarding the consequences of Nintendo going third-party would be, what happens to the Nintendo faithful?

Right now, Nintendo has millions of fans who are basically a captive audience.  They identify strongly with the company.  Some of them have little exposure to other markets.  Some of them are "super-fans" who buy pretty much everything Nintendo produces, including toys.  What happens when this consumer group is suddenly out of the pond and into the ocean?  Will their interests become diluted with other games, genres, and experiences that weren't on the most recent Nintendo consoles?  Maybe they don't buy every Nintendo title like they used to, maybe they develop attachements to other publishers and developers.  I don't know.

On the other hand, Nintendo hasn't been doing a good job of creating new customers, which is really the life's blood of gaming.  Hardcore fans are great but they won't make up for a lack of growth.  Nintendo desperately needs to find a way to expand their fan base.  That's something they must accomplish if they want to stay in the console market.  I know Amiibo was a direct response to this problem but, so far, it hasn't quite been functioning as Nintendo wants.

Honestly, if I were in charge of Nintendo, I'd keep producing consoles as long as I could see a profit per unit at launch.  I'd try to make sure all the browser and mobile games in Japan were on all my consoles and I'd try to keep a hold on the family market in the rest of the world.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with being in "third place" in unit sales if you're turning a solid profit.





revinit said:

Then why didn't Sony and MS abandon hardware and join Nintendo on Wii and DS?  Your logic dictates they should.

 


Because the Wii is a piece of junk. It is a gimmick that sold like hotcakes to casual gamers and non gamers. Real gamers bought PS3 and 360 and are still buying them today. Where's the Wii now? Name 1 good Wii game that wasn't made by Nintendo.

That piece of junk was best selling console of last gen.

 

revinit said:

I would love to play a few Nintendo games, namely Mario and Splatoon. But I am not going to buy a WiiU just for 2 or 3 games. I would definitely buy Nintendo titles to play on PS4. Just think of how many copies of Splatoon would sell if it was available on Sony and Microsoft consoles.

Really!? I would love to play few Sony games, namely Uncharted and Last of Us, but I am not going to buy PS4 just for those 2-3 games. Pretty stupid thinking, dont you think!?

You want to play Nintendo games, buy Nintendo hardware, simple as that.







Armour1 said:
zorg1000 said:
Armour1 said:

Business common sense.

They make games, only logical to sale on as big a user base as possible. They them selves can no longer build a user base big enough to make it worth wile.

They are literally leaving billions at the table. Selling on a bigger user base also increases their franchises worth and its merchandising. Plus their hardware is always weak, that that out of the equation and the games will be better.

 

Nintendo would lose hardware/accessory revenue, lose 3rd party royalties and have to pay royalties to Sony/Microsoft which means their games would need to sell much higher and I'm not sure if many Nintendo franchises would see a huge increase in sales by being on PS/XB anyway. Most Nintendo games are either family/kid/casual friendly titles (this audience isn't really known to be on PS/XB) or rather niche titles which sell to a small but dedicated fanbase.

 So no house hold with kids own PS or Xbox, who are you kidding.  Their sales woudld easily skyrocket going 3rd party, dont even dare bs that sales might not increase much going from the wiiu to a 200 MILLION strong user base.  

Unelss you all doubt nintendo software quality, seems many dont think they can sale to any one but hardcore ninty fans.   

 

Did Nintendo franchises popularity skyrocket on Wii? 3D Mario, 2D Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, Punch-Out, Excite, Sin & Punishment, Battalion Wars, Mario Sports, etc all had very modest boosts over NES/SNES/N64/GC sales despite having 40-80 million extra sales. The only title that saw truly massive growth over previous installments was Mario Kart.



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