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There's few feelings worse than being screwed by the government or any authority and not even being provided with an explanation. Heck, they don't even get a refund? We're certainly doing our best to manufacture radicals... Now a giant group of kids have firsthand experience of direct government discrimination against them as well.

Can't imagine why this happened... I recall on three separate occasions that I was briefly stopped as my name (John Walsh), being (I imagine) an insanely common combination in Ireland, was the same as some IRA person on the no fly list... When they realized I was decades too young, though, I'd always get through. Could his name perhaps be shared by some radical?

Either way, this was handled about as poorly as one would expect government to handle anything.

I still haven't saw a communist democracy. If everything is from the governement there is no free enterpearnoship and them you can't say it's true democracy.

Haven't communists fight on WW1 and WW2? And Didn't they have internal wars as well? As far as I know communists countries had several deaths from inane, poor working condition and also polluted a lot.

If you want to use reasons of war them Macartism is an excuse, communist expansion also is and all the other excuses governement make to fight wars.

Would please list the true crimes that Japan commited instead of the ones that winning part say the losing part commited? And having politicians being religious and making their bad decisions isn't in any way close to killing because of religion.

And no I don't think you take pleasure, I raised the point (altough you skipped native religions).

If you become a radical because of how bad governement are you should go towards less government envolvement instead of bigger governments.

Nice try... the Ottomans and the Brits were meddling in Iraq LOOOONG before the Yanks ever dropped a single bomb over there, as well as meddling in Syria too.

When did AMERICA start bombing Syria and Palestine in order to spread "democracy"???  Syria is currently in the midst of a massive civil war with several factions vying for control while the Assad regime is being propped up by Russia and Iran, and "Palestine" was never a country... it's a failed state that doesn't know when to stop picking a fight with its much stronger and more prosperous neighboring state ,which was created in the aftermath of WWII (again due to European meddling, not the US) after Nazi Germany tried to exterminate the Jewish people, which today's Palestinians and their supporters would love to finish the job if given the chance.

National security organisations do not give out information freely. 

It is not the travel agency's responsibility to get them visas. If they couldn't make the flight or bought non-refundable tickets, then they shouldn't be entitled to any refund.

My guess is that one of them has ties to radical islam.

And so the plot thickens...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3371472/David-Cameron-look-Muslim-family-banned-visiting-Disneyland-California-U-S-officials.html

"A British Muslim father whose planned Disneyland trip was ruined when he and his family were barred from boarding a flight to the U.S. has now been forced to distance himself from a Facebook account claiming links to Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Mohammad Tariq Mahmood, 41, his brother and their children, aged between eight and 19, said they were stopped at the departure gate at Gatwick airport and told their visas to the US had been revoked.

He claimed the family were barred from flying 'because they are Muslim'.

However, it has since emerged that a Facebook page claiming links to radical Islamist groups was set up by someone who has lived at the family's postal address, according to ITV News.

The account, which includes information suggesting it may have been published as a joke, was in the name of Hamza Hussain - a first name shared by Mr Mahmood's 18-year-old son. It reportedly lists the job titles 'supervisor at Taliban and leader at al-Qaeda'.

When asked about the account, Mr Mahmood believed hackers may have been to blame, adding: 'That could be anything, maybe a mistake.'

He said: 'It is not my son's Facebook page. It has a similar name, but not the same as my son's.

'The page is also linked to our home address and that could be coincidence. I don't know why it is linked there. The name is not even the same. The authorities must have linked it simply because of the name Hamza.'

It was understood that the wives of Mr Mahmood and his brother had stayed at home for the trip because one of them was ill and one of the children did not have a valid passport.

But it is now believed that Mr Mahmood's wife was in Pakistan at the time."


Boy, that paints quite a different picture than the "we were denied entry to the US because we are Muslim, and because Donald Trump is big fat poo poo head meanie!" that the original news articles on this story attempted to paint.

If they have legitimate ties to radicals then ok that's certainly one thing.

But if they were denied on the basis of an obvious joke on their kid's Facebook account (kids every day say stupid things on their Facebook, do we really think this kid is "supervisior of the Talbian and leader of al-Qaeda"?) ... then IMO I think there are within their rights to file some kind of grievance.  

I think if that's the case, then they should be reimbursed the $9000 by the US government or at least some portion of it. Sure they gov't official may have done it out of an abundance of caution, but if the account was obvious joke then the goverment can at least show a little class and refund the tickets. 

I call for bullshit. I am against the Israeli government. However, the media makes the entire situation extremely biased. It's either they portray Israel as the enemy or Palestine.

The truth is that Israel has zionists who love to illegally settle into land, and there are extremist nuts in Palestine. People act as though everyone in that area is in war. I'd hate to burst your bubble, but they aren't. Israelites and Palestinians live in society peacefully. It's only a few rotten apples from both side that are causing the entire situation.

Also, recall the Iraq war? I never asked for whether the Ottomans and Brits were before them or not. The Iraq war was one of the dumbest actions ever made by the U.S(thanks Bush). Yes, Bin Laden needed to be killed. However, did that require the disgusting actions America did during the war with Iraq? 

I don't side with any country honestly. I hate patriotism. It makes people blind. It makes people hate the truth. Prevents them from seeing the mistakes in front of their own eyes.

Thanks for the info. Much of the immature fighting wouldn't have happened if the OP listed it out.

Whether Donald Trump would do this or not has no relevance. He's not president, has close to no political power, and is taken more like a joke than a serious politician.

oh my god this proofs everything apparently a al qaeda leader will freely admit he is the leader of that group whilst living in the UK. In that case I am the president of america and the proof is on my facebook right under 'occupation'.