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Reports are coming in, that the weekend estimate is closer to $150M than $154M.



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Avatar is overrated. It won't make as much as Episode VII IMO.

It won't have the visual hook next time to make it stand out. 



Lawlight said:


Sure that helps too but not as much as marketing. Look at Jurassic World - the franchise was dead but the marketing pushed to a $1.7B movie.

In any case, Star Wars won't have legs outside of the US - it grossed less in RotW than the US during this past week-end. It will need some serious legs in the US and some $500M from China to come close to Avatar.

There are two ways to look at those numbers, its not having legs worldwide or its having crazy legs on USA. Its tending more for the second actualy, its doing great worldwide buts its completly bonkers on USA. Imo itll end around 900M USA and somewhere around 1-1.2 billion worldwide, we can count with 200M at leas from China for sure.

LordLichtenstein said:
Reports are coming in, that the weekend estimate is closer to $150M than $154M.

Box Office mojo has it at 153.5 M, they hardly ever miss the mark by much so I believe the weekend was somewhere btween 152-155 for Star Wars.



DakonBlackblade said:
Lawlight said:


Sure that helps too but not as much as marketing. Look at Jurassic World - the franchise was dead but the marketing pushed to a $1.7B movie.

In any case, Star Wars won't have legs outside of the US - it grossed less in RotW than the US during this past week-end. It will need some serious legs in the US and some $500M from China to come close to Avatar.

There are two ways to look at those numbers, its not having legs worldwide or its having crazy legs on USA. Its tending more for the second actualy, its doing great worldwide buts its completly bonkers on USA. Imo itll end around 900M USA and somewhere around 1-1.2 billion worldwide, we can count with 200M at leas from China for sure.



 

I am really interested in seeing how well it fares in China, form what I've been hearing lately, the chinese people doesn't care about Star Wars, but I am certain that notion will change once it is release there.



LordLichtenstein said:

I am really interested in seeing how well it fares in China, form what I've been hearing lately, the chinese people doesn't care about Star Wars, but I am certain that notion will change once it is release there.

Suposedly they didnt care about Avengers, 007 and all these other blockbusters either, still they all did super well there. Theyre just watching anything else the rest fo the world is too, think about it for ages theyd get non of these movies there and only hear about them, now they actualy get them all they go see any of them that are a hughe sucess on USA.





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Teeqoz said:

That claim is even worse. No forum goers are your average "casual" movie goer? The fact that you visit *any* forum excludes you from being an average movie goer? I'd argue the majority of forum goers are your average moviegoers. Sheesh. It's not like because you are passionate about gaming you chamge your movie-watching habits. Either it must be that:

a) People who eventually sign up for *any* forum have never been the average movie goer, because of their generally high interest for gaming/politics/hunting/music/etc.

Or b) When you sign up for a forum, you automatically change your movie watching habits because god knows why.

 

Neither makes particularly much sense to me though.

I am a cinephile who goes to the theater very rarely: I saw Star Wars and maybe 3-4 other films in theaters, but I probably saw 200-300 films overall. There's a pretty good chance that this is not the profile of the average VGC user, because it's a Venn diagram that has no real reason to overlap. Video games are not music are not films, and I am sure you will find many users on music and film forums that have a passing (read "casual") interest in video games. If they've decided to spend their time on another forum, it's because they have a greater vested interest in that forum's topics.

Having said that, I've seen Episode VII and will probably see it once or twice more in theaters. As far as Avatar 2 is concerned, I may just wait for a Blu-Ray release. Why? EVERY movie uses and/or abuses 3D now, and the novelty aspect has gone the way of the Wii motion controls: everyone wanted to see what the deal was and quickly got it out of their system. Avatar was not a great movie; it was entertaining, but the acting, script, and story were all okay to good. Moon also came out in 2009 and was leagues better, as were 500 Days of Summer and Crazy Heart. Nothing really stands out about Avatar, other than the 3D aspect, which is why many people who saw the first have no signficant vested interest in the second. Barring some unexpected revelation, I think we need to mute out expectations for Avatar 2.





LordLichtenstein said:
Teeqoz said:

 

That claim is even worse. No forum goers are your average "casual" movie goer? The fact that you visit *any* forum excludes you from being an average movie goer? I'd argue the majority of forum goers are your average moviegoers. Sheesh. It's not like because you are passionate about gaming you chamge your movie-watching habits. Either it must be that:

a) People who eventually sign up for *any* forum have never been the average movie goer, because of their generally high interest for gaming/politics/hunting/music/etc.

Or b) When you sign up for a forum, you automatically change your movie watching habits because god knows why.

 

Neither makes particularly much sense to me though.

 

I am not sure wheather you are intentionally are trying to misunderstand me, or if I am not explaining myself correctly...


When I talk about thé "casual" movie goer, I am talking about my mom, dad, grandmother, grandfather, people 50+, that has no particular interest in todays entertainment. 
Neither of them watch that many movies, but occasionally when something big hits, or something is hyped in the media, then they go see it. 

I don't cosinder myself an extreme movie goer, I watch between 20-30 movies every year in the cinema, while they might only watch 3-5, if that "many".


What i meant with the forum comment, was that if you are sitting on a forum with 50.000 members and 47.500 of them are saying they hate Avatar and don't care about Avatar, and you think that counts for everyone else, then you are mistaken.


Does it make any sense?


 

It makes a lot more sense though I have a tough time equating casual movie goers with older people in general. It just seems weird. Anyway, I guess we'll know in not too long time wether the general public is still interested in Avatar when the public releases. Like I've states before, I really really doubt it will do well enough to outperform the original, or even to reach 2 Billion. I think it has potential for 1.5 billion, if only because 1.5 billion is the new 1 billion in the box office (seriously, if there's anything this year should have taught us, it's that 1 Bn is hardly even a big deal anymore).



LordLichtenstein said:

 

I am not sure wheather you are intentionally are trying to misunderstand me, or if I am not explaining myself correctly...


When I talk about thé "casual" movie goer, I am talking about my mom, dad, grandmother, grandfather, people 50+, that has no particular interest in todays entertainment. 
Neither of them watch that many movies, but occasionally when something big hits, or something is hyped in the media, then they go see it. 

I don't cosinder myself an extreme movie goer, I watch between 20-30 movies every year in the cinema, while they might only watch 3-5, if that "many".


What i meant with the forum comment, was that if you are sitting on a forum with 50.000 members and 47.500 of them are saying they hate Avatar and don't care about Avatar, and you think that counts for everyone else, then you are mistaken.


Does it make any sense?


Holy crap, 20-30 movies a year? o.o XD Is that something most people do? Then again I'm a very casual movie goer, I see like 1-3 movies a year because Im picky





StarOcean said:
LordLichtenstein said:

 

I am not sure wheather you are intentionally are trying to misunderstand me, or if I am not explaining myself correctly...


When I talk about thé "casual" movie goer, I am talking about my mom, dad, grandmother, grandfather, people 50+, that has no particular interest in todays entertainment. 
Neither of them watch that many movies, but occasionally when something big hits, or something is hyped in the media, then they go see it. 

I don't cosinder myself an extreme movie goer, I watch between 20-30 movies every year in the cinema, while they might only watch 3-5, if that "many".


What i meant with the forum comment, was that if you are sitting on a forum with 50.000 members and 47.500 of them are saying they hate Avatar and don't care about Avatar, and you think that counts for everyone else, then you are mistaken.


Does it make any sense?


Holy crap, 20-30 movies a year? o.o XD Is that something most people do? Then again I'm a very casual movie goer, I see like 1-3 movies a year because Im picky



 

I don't know? It's not uncommon in my circle of friends. :)



Teeqoz said:
LordLichtenstein said:
Soundwave said:

 

I'm just saying the script better be much better the second time around .... if its the same thing as the first one, it's going to make no where close to that much bank IMO. That film has faded from the public conciousness very quickly


How would you know? I believe that Avatar got hold of the casual market, therefore it, might seem like it, because the "casual" movie-goer doesn't sit on message boards.

 

I fail to see how people being on a gaming forum has anything to do with wether or not they are "casual" movie-goers. No really. I can see absolutely zero connections there. None.

I think the most important thing to consider about Avatar is that, for the most part, no one cares about that movie.  It's hardly ever talked about amoungst people in movie discusions.  Never quoted.  Never quoted in other movies.  The only time people even bring it up is to talk about how much it made or how much it rips off Fern Gully/Dances With Wolves.  Without the 3D hype, that movie would have made about half of what it did.  And that's how much I expect the sequel to make IF they build some hype up for it, again.