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Soriku. Your in for a rude awakening if you think FE is hard. Multiply that diificulty by like 10 and you have Disgaea. This is actually the opposite of what I think you'd like.



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Not a fan of the series, but it would be a welcome addition to the multiplatform scene.



outlawauron said:
Soriku. Your in for a rude awakening if you think FE is hard. Multiply that diificulty by like 10 and you have Disgaea. This is actually the opposite of what I think you'd like.

 That very much depends on your definition of hard.  FE is much harder on a pure gameplay basis because you can't grind and deaths are permanent.  Unlike a lot of other games, you can't just go out and grind levels so that a difficult battle becomes easy, in FE it stays hard.  

 Its difficult and unforgiving and that makes it much more difficult than what I've heard of Disgaea.



makingmusic476 said:
Do you guys think I should go and find Disgaea 1/2 for the ps2? I've never played a Disgaea before, but I've heard they're hilarious, and I love the artstyle.

yes, you should! At least Disgaea 1. Great gameply although it takes a backseat to the story/voice acting, which hilarious.



outlawauron said:
Soriku. Your in for a rude awakening if you think FE is hard. Multiply that diificulty by like 10 and you have Disgaea. This is actually the opposite of what I think you'd like.
 Only if you use a full party.  If you limit your party to 3-5 guys you can beat disgaea easy without any grinding. 

 



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wenlan said:
Soriku said:
 

More than PS3/360 owners. Disgaea 3 sold 60k in the first week in Japan and that's called a success.

Soriku,

Let's focus the discussion on "DISGAEA". Don't get me wrong, I will like to see the Wii version of Disgaea too because it will certainly make this game more popular.

You said there are more Wii owners who like Disgaea than PS3/360 owners. You may be right, but I believe the most of these potential buyers also own a PS2. Do you think they will purchase a Disgaea 1 or Disgaea 2 port on Wii while they may have already played them on PS2?

Not to mention Disgaea 1 port on PSP only cost 2800 yen at this moment and DS version is coming out. Why would they want to wait for the Wii version?

Disgaea 3, on the other hand, will be a better choice to port to Wii because of the limited PS3 userbase at this point. However, this task may cost a lot more money than we think.

Why did NIS develope Disgaea 3 for PS3 but not Wii at first place? I honestly don't know, but there must be a reason behind that.


 I don't get the argument you're making.  Are you saying the article is talking about a port of Disgaea 1?  I get the impression that they're talking about bringing the Disgaea series to the Wii which would make Soriku's point about Disgaea 3 valid. 

For any new Disgaea series, the Wii is the console that it has the highest chance of succeeding on.  I can only assume that the Disgaea 3 game was too far along on PS3 for them to consider switching.  NIS is a small developer and they likely don't have the resources to restart the game as the console wars resolve itself.

Btw, FE:RD isn't finished yet, it just got released in Europe so the 500k sales will only increase.  Just because the image of the wii is that a lot of casuals like it doesn't mean there's no hardcore.  FE:RD and other wii sRPGs sales will be higher than an equivalent sRPG on the 360 or PS3.

What I'm waiting for is SE to start bringing back the damn Tactics Ogre series... 



Words Of Wisdom said:
wenlan said:
@Kasz216

You like Super Robot Wars too!!!???
I am a huge fan too. It's too bad that we will never see these games coming to NA.
Luckily, DS/PSP/PS3 are region free :)

Super Robot Wars is probably one of (if not the best) sRPG series ever made. I dearly wish the franchise would venture out of Japan more than it has. OG/OG2 were awesome.


 Yes, and yeah it's great. 

The gameplay is about as solid as your going to get for an SRPG and easy enough to where you can play imports without having to know japanese.  Though you do miss out on the story... hence why the import games are ranked lower.

Hopefully all the console SRW games go to PS3 for those reasons.

Honestly SRPG's being more popular in Japan is the one thing that made me regret my inability to learn new languages.  Sad but true.



Kasz216 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
darconi said:
How is Disgaea DS anyway? Considering maybe picking that up...

Which would be better, Disgaea or FFT or FE?

FE > Disgaea > Dog poop > FFT.


Best SRPG's are in this order:

 

Final Fantasy Tactics > Disgaea 1 > Fire Emblem Series > Disgaea 2 > Ogre Tactics > Phantom Brave/La Pucelle

 

These are your must play games:

Final Fantasy Tactics

Disgaea: Hour of Darkness

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance



Yikes. I couldn't disagree with that list more.

Tactics Ogre is way better then the Disgaea and Final Fantasy Tactics games in both gameplay and story.

Though the Disgaea games to get points for having fun stories.

FFT is nothing but a dumbed down Tactics Ogre. It's still an ok game. I'm actually playing it right now. It's literally playing on my TV. But it's nowhere near top of the SRPG world. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is a better game.

Your also missing the Super Robot Wars series.... which is just unforgiveable in a list of great Strategy RPGs.

Also the Front Mission series.


Ah, but your in the even smaller niche of SRPG hardcore fans than I am. You can disagree with my opinion all day, but you have to admit that in general, the average Hardcore SRPG fan holds extreme respect for Final Fantasy Tactics, and probably has never played Tactics Ogre.

 

I found FFT to be a better game, not by design or depth, but by userfriendliness, pacing, and production design. I don't think there is any doubt that FFT is a simplified Tactics Ogre, but I feel that the simplification and specific design choices in FFT create a more cohesive overall package.

 

As for Disgaea, I think we can all agree that if anything is responsible for bringing SRPG to the spotlight its Disgaea. The reason its so fantastic(and a better game than Ogre imo) is the better story(in my opinion) which makes fun of itself, and in the ability of the character to circumvent the rules of the game.

 

Its just so over the top and invigorating that I have to also put it above Tactics Ogre.

 

Finally, the Fire Emblem series, in Japan, you just can't leave that out.

 

I greatly respect every game on my list, but I have to stand by my personal opinion on the best games, and I certainly believe for beginners, Tactics Ogre is NOT a good choice for new SRPG fans, its simply too overwhelming out of the gate.

 

Again, call me a fanboy, but I think the battles and the way the story works in FFT is one of the few emotional times I've ever had with a game. I feel that the difficulty before TG:Cid is fantastic and strikes a perfect balance. I feel that the forumla for FFT is even more advanced in some ways than the modern Fire Emblem formula, and I feel that some of the individual battles, especially early on, are some of the most memorable moments in gaming history.

 

To me, FFT is a golden god. I love it, I worship it, and I feel it is one of the greatest games ever developed. Tactics advance was a good game, but didn't live up to the quality of the original, imo, and I still, to this day, play Final Fantasy Tactics, in all its glory, and I feel that if any one SRPG is the definition of the genre, it is, and shall ever be that game.

 

It's not only my favorite strategy game, it's my favorite Final Fantasy game, period.

 

imo.



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darconi said:
wenlan said:
Soriku said:
 

More than PS3/360 owners. Disgaea 3 sold 60k in the first week in Japan and that's called a success.

Soriku,

Let's focus the discussion on "DISGAEA". Don't get me wrong, I will like to see the Wii version of Disgaea too because it will certainly make this game more popular.

You said there are more Wii owners who like Disgaea than PS3/360 owners. You may be right, but I believe the most of these potential buyers also own a PS2. Do you think they will purchase a Disgaea 1 or Disgaea 2 port on Wii while they may have already played them on PS2?

Not to mention Disgaea 1 port on PSP only cost 2800 yen at this moment and DS version is coming out. Why would they want to wait for the Wii version?

Disgaea 3, on the other hand, will be a better choice to port to Wii because of the limited PS3 userbase at this point. However, this task may cost a lot more money than we think.

Why did NIS develope Disgaea 3 for PS3 but not Wii at first place? I honestly don't know, but there must be a reason behind that.


I don't get the argument you're making. Are you saying the article is talking about a port of Disgaea 1? I get the impression that they're talking about bringing the Disgaea series to the Wii which would make Soriku's point about Disgaea 3 valid.

For any new Disgaea series, the Wii is the console that it has the highest chance of succeeding on. I can only assume that the Disgaea 3 game was too far along on PS3 for them to consider switching. NIS is a small developer and they likely don't have the resources to restart the game as the console wars resolve itself.

Btw, FE:RD isn't finished yet, it just got released in Europe so the 500k sales will only increase. Just because the image of the wii is that a lot of casuals like it doesn't mean there's no hardcore. FE:RD and other wii sRPGs sales will be higher than an equivalent sRPG on the 360 or PS3.

What I'm waiting for is SE to start bringing back the damn Tactics Ogre series...


 My bet is they don't bring the Disgaea series to Wii... but instead one of their other SRPGs... which really... same difference.  I mean i'd aruge it's all a shared universe anyway.  That's what seems to be the case with all NIS games though they don't state it explicitly.

Although if they wanted to they could probably port over Disgaea 1,2 and 3 all on one disc!

I mean, unless it looks better in person,  Disgaea 3 looks like every other NIS game... except the colors are brighter.  The same "Lets use the fighter, but change his hair, wow we got a new fighter class!" approach.



@Kasz

What other sRPGs are they known for? Disgaea is the only big one that comes to mind immediately for me. My preferences are for fantasy style ones though so some of the ones like Robot Wars (and even Advance Wars) just don't have any appeal for me whatsoever.