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OmegaRed421 said:
walsufnir said:
I still can't believe that Sony and MS don't have any good counter measures to mitigate these attacks. Sony ok, they are not even popular for being good at internet related things but MS? Seriously, they have the money and the man power. And it's not like there aren't any methods to help with DDOS attacks.

 

Considering the amount of traffic they already experiance with new consoles being turned on and updated I think the amount of time they were down last year wasn't bad at all. They practically get a DDOS attack from their own hardware with new users, lol

This is a myth and if it was true, it would be a shame for their network and resource planning team. Also keep in mind that there is a distinction between download servers and online gaming servers.





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walsufnir said:
OmegaRed421 said:

 

Considering the amount of traffic they already experiance with new consoles being turned on and updated I think the amount of time they were down last year wasn't bad at all. They practically get a DDOS attack from their own hardware with new users, lol

This is a myth and if it was true, it would be a shame for their network and resource planning team. Also keep in mind that there is a distinction between download servers and online gaming servers.



 

How? There has always been been major issues this time of year since the systems started their online infrastructures. PS always has bigger issues since their network is still being matured and isn't a dedicated server company or software company like M$. You also have to remember they are in it for a profit. Could you imagine the amount of money they would have to spend putting more servers online for the estimated amount of traffic they COULD recieve and the short amount of time they would be needed.. Don't forget day one patches are now a bigger thing on both consoles as well as a larger amount of user communication between friends and people that have the time to play their games and it being a holiday that most have off around the world throghout a 24hr period.



Make it So.

Lag DBL post...sorry.



Make it So.

OmegaRed421 said:
walsufnir said:

This is a myth and if it was true, it would be a shame for their network and resource planning team. Also keep in mind that there is a distinction between download servers and online gaming servers.



 

How? There has always been been major issues this time of year since the systems started their online infrastructures. PS always has bigger issues since their network is still being matured and isn't a dedicated server company or software company like M$. You also have to remember they are in it for a profit. Could you imagine the amount of money they would have to spend putting more servers online for the estimated amount of traffic they COULD recieve and the short amount of time they would be needed.. Don't forget day one patches are now a bigger thing on both consoles as well as a larger amount of user communication between friends and people that have the time to play their games and it being a holiday that most have off around the world throghout a 24hr period.

 

You pay for the service so yes, you should expect them to pro-actively build their network for new customers. And "M$", really? I work for a network company and know how you should build a network. Also, it doesn't matter if Sony is a "dedicated server company" - MS wasn't either but if you want to play with the big ones, behave like the big ones. Network cost analysis is something also Sony should be able to do.

And I don't forget day one patches but they come from download companies like Akamai and not from Sony servers.



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walsufnir said:

You pay for the service so yes, you should expect them to pro-actively build their network for new customers. And "M$", really? I work for a network company and know how you should build a network. Also, it doesn't matter if Sony is a "dedicated server company" - MS wasn't either but if you want to play with the big ones, behave like the big ones. Network cost analysis is something also Sony should be able to do.

And I don't forget day one patches but they come from download companies like Akamai and not from Sony servers.

I was just trying to cut Sony some slack...this is a point I make when it comes to talking up each system. 

I doubt your network compnay has to deal with as many users as each of these two spread around the world dealing with a multitude of issues that can strike server farms and the variety of things their networks must do...all the while turning a decent enough profit to make their share holders happy...also on aging hardware that has to be upgraded and patched constantly...all the while being a huge target for no lifers with nothing better to do. I'm not saying they deserve a free pass but it is no where as simple as you want to make it seem. Also M$ still did pretty good keeping their network or parts of it up while being being attacked.

Edit: And as for patches...they have to que them through their respective networks before connecting to the publishers server for download...so this is still added traffic for all concerned.



Make it So.

OmegaRed421 said:
walsufnir said:

You pay for the service so yes, you should expect them to pro-actively build their network for new customers. And "M$", really? I work for a network company and know how you should build a network. Also, it doesn't matter if Sony is a "dedicated server company" - MS wasn't either but if you want to play with the big ones, behave like the big ones. Network cost analysis is something also Sony should be able to do.

And I don't forget day one patches but they come from download companies like Akamai and not from Sony servers.

I was just trying to cut Sony some slack...this is a point I make when it comes to talking up each system. 

I doubt your network compnay has to deal with as many users as each of these two spread around the world dealing with a multitude of issues that can strike server farms and the variety of things their networks must do...all the while turning a decent enough profit to make their share holders happy...also on aging hardware that has to be upgraded and patched constantly...all the while being a huge target for no lifers with nothing better to do. I'm not saying they deserve a free pass but it is no where as simple as you want to make it seem. Also M$ still did pretty good keeping their network or parts of it up while being being attacked.

Edit: And as for patches...they have to que them through their respective networks before connecting to the publishers server for download...so this is still added traffic for all concerned.

 

I work for a webhosting company, one of the greatest in Europe. We have a lot of customers, I can assure you. But that's not what this is about. I didn't say it is simple for everyone out there but for networkers this is a task they should be able to do, no matter whether it's global or just continental. The problem itself you have to solve is basically the same, you only have to extrapolate.

And why would Sony queue patches, like at all? Every PS4 console should only make a connection to the CDN and not to Sony servers for big downloads because nothing else is required to do so, besides some proxying so that the console knows which file to get explicitely. But this should also be no problem for a company which demands money for their online service.



I have plenty of offline games and consoles probably 95% of my library so np for me



Good thing i rarely ever play any online aspects of games.



I never understand why these idiots hack the networks... I mean do they do it for a purpose or just 'for the lolz'?

Waste of direction as they could go after ISIS or the banks like said previously...