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zero129 said:
Lawlight said:
No trophy no buy - as simple as that. Plus, I refuse to spend upwards of $2000 on a gaming laptop.

Why would you need to spend $2000?



 

If you can find me a good gaming laptop in Australia for a decent price, I'll be interested in it.



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zero129 said:
think-man said:
No trophies so no deal, and also how can i support the devs who made these games if im stealing off them? This is pathetic and wrong, go get a job and stop stealing off the ppl that bring you these games you love.

Wow how did you guys ever play them games without trophies when they originally launched??.

Also i have already paid the dev for my original copies of the games i emulate so how am i steeling anything?.

Anyway thanks for the assumtions about a job and for insulting me



Because I've already played these games if i play them again id like to track my progress with trophies. You didn't pay the devs anything you're promoting corrupted practices this is the very reason games get delayed on pc is because of theft. They wait until the money is made on the consoles then release it later for the delay race.





zero129 said:
OneKartVita said:
I won't because my PC is used for work only and I'd rather support the people who make these games. I'm not a pirate YEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH

Who said anything about being a Pirate?. If you clearly read the original post you would see it says about using "Your own" PS2 discs in the system.

You dont even need to rip them or anything just pop the disc in and play!.

So are you saying anyone who Originally brought them discs and still has them wasnt supporting the developers??, are you saying that them users are now pirates for using their own discs instead of allowing "Sony" not the "original devs" to rip them off by making them re buy them games again twice on PS3 and then again on PS4??.

The article is disingenuous, you need the PS2 Bios, which can only be legally obtained via a dump from the PS2, which he fails to mention.

You can't just plop in a disc and start playing.





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zero129 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

The article is disingenuous, you need the PS2 Bios, which can only be legally obtained via a dump from the PS2, which he fails to mention.

You can't just plop in a disc and start playing.



Im pretty sure that was mentioned.



That nasty habit of ignoring the links, I do enjoy how he tiptoed around the issue though. 





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elektranine said:
sc94597 said:

Actually you don't know what you are talking about. It is perfectly legal to backup games that you've purchased as long as there is no DRM. It is also legal to use said backup in the event you cannot use the original. It is not legal to distribute that backup. Nevertheless, you don't even need to backup the game to play it on PCSX2. You can just play off the disc. Please cite the U.S law that says otherwise. 

http://info.legalzoom.com/dmca-backup-copyrighted-content-22827.html

What the DMCA does, through DRM, is make the circumvention illegal, not the actual copying. So, now, even if you own your DVD and are trying to make a personal copy for when, not if, your children scratch the original, or you want to make a copy to watch on your computer, it is illegal to bypass DRM protection measures to make your backup. Circumvention means avoiding, bypassing, removing, deactivating or impairing a technological measure without permission from the copyright owner. This includes bypassing iTunes DRM to copy the music files you bought or using software to break DRM locks to copy DVDs.

See Nintendo on this matter:

https://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#download_rom

There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.



All you have is shown that have a horrible comprehension of what is going oon.

I’m sure the "it says on legal zoom" excuse will hold up in a court of law. In fact the website has a disclaimer "LegalZoom is not a law firm, and the employees of LegalZoom are not acting as your attorney. LegalZoom's legal document service is not a substitute for the advice of an attorney. "

The DMCA expressly forbids the manufacture, development, distribution, or possession of any tool, hardware or software, that circumvents copyright protection or allows the use of a copyrighted work contrary to the original intentions of the copyright holder.

Sony "originally intended" for PS2 games to be played only on the PS2 console or devices specifically licensed to play PS2 games. It says so in their licensing terms. You cannot legally use these copyrighted works on the PC.

 

You are allowed to make a backup/copy for archival purposes only. You are not allowed to use the archival backup for production use. You cannot in any way use that archival backup to play the game. Also it should be noted that when making the backup you cannot circumvent any copyright protection scheme in doing so.

There is no copyright protection scheme to bypass when ripping a bios from the PS2 or ripping a rom off the disc of a PS2 game (like I said, you don't even need to rip the iso, you can play from your DVD player.) There is no DRM on these contents, and therefore DMCA doesn't apply. The emulator doesn't bypass any DRM to play the games.   

And what would be the point of an archival copy if you can't use it? That is bullshit.  Fair-use allows people to use their copies for non-distributive activites. It has been the case for years when people were ripping songs of their CD's to play on their MP3 players. It wasn't until the companies starting putting DRM's on the content that they could take legal action. Before that, they couldn't do anything about it. 

http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

Can you source the underlined? I couldn't find that anywhere in the DMCA. In fact it says:

Section 1201 divides technological measures into two categories: measures that prevent unauthorized access to a copyrighted work and measures that prevent The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 “Copying” is used in this context as a short-hand for the exercise of any of the exclus- 2 ive rights of an author under section 106 of the Copyright Act. Consequently, a technological measure that prevents unauthorized distribution or public performance of a work would fall in this second category. Copyright Office Summary December 1998 Page 4 unauthorized copying of a copyrighted work. Making or selling devices or services that 2 are used to circumvent either category of technological measure is prohibited in certain circumstances, described below. As to the act of circumvention in itself, the provision prohibits circumventing the first category of technological measures, but not the second.

This distinction was employed to assure that the public will have the continued ability to make fair use of copyrighted works. Since copying of a work may be a fair use under appropriate circumstances, section 1201 does not prohibit the act of circumventing a technological measure that prevents copying. By contrast, since the fair use doctrine is not a defense to the act of gaining unauthorized access to a work, the act of circumventing a technological measure in order to gain access is prohibited. Section 1201 proscribes devices or services that fall within any one of the following three categories: ! they are primarily designed or produced to circumvent; ! they have only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent; or ! they are marketed for use in circumventing. 


It says nothing about original intent. 



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Ok, seriously guys, drop that legal BS. I'm all for playing PS2 titles on PS4, I even bought San Andreas for 15 bucks. But who cares about someone getting a BIOS for the PS2? I bet even Sony doesn't mind. It's neglible, even if illegal on paper. I play SNES and GBA games on my PSP all day and I don't give two fucks about it. It's technically illegal, even though I do own the original games, but I still may not download them from the internet. But I couldn't care less. I want to play those games on the go!

Just let the people play on whatever platform they prefer. I don't have problems with people prefering PC with emulators, but I personally like it on Ps4 more.



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zero129 said:
think-man said:
No trophies so no deal, and also how can i support the devs who made these games if im stealing off them? This is pathetic and wrong, go get a job and stop stealing off the ppl that bring you these games you love.

Wow how did you guys ever play them games without trophies when they originally launched??.

 

 

That's such a weak argument, dude. It's like saying, who needs good graphics? How did you play video games back in the 90s? What do you mean you need a cell phone? How did you communicate with your friends 15 years ago? What do you mean you need wifi? And so on... Things change. Trophies/achievements are expected now for Ninty games on consoles. Hell even Steam has them, even Android games. 



zero129 said:
SvennoJ said:
sc94597 said:
SvennoJ said:

Out of the interest of curiosity I gave the download a try. However 5 minutes later I'm stumped...

PSCX2 requires a legal copy of the PS2 BIOS to run games.
You cannot use a copy obtained from a friend or the internet.
You must dump the BIOS from your *own* Playstation 2 console.

How do I do that? Is that even legal?
How do I connect my ps2 console to my pc to dump the bios?

If you care about everything being "legal" and not everything being "ethical" or "moral" then here is how you can extract a bios. 

http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Guide-to-Dumping-Your-PS2-Bios-over-LAN

Nevertheless, if you already had a PS2 I really don't see the big deal of using another PS2's bios unless you are obsessed with the legality of things. There is a good argument against the piracy of games (i.e you are hurting the developer by doing so), but since Sony isn't selling Playstation bios', unless you only care about intellectual property abstractly and are obsessed with following the law, it isn't an issue to find one and download it, unlike finding games that are being sold legally. 

Edit: Yes, you can use a copy obtained from the internet. PSCX2 just can't say that you can for legal reasons. 

Both are free and legal—none of the code in the emulators themselves belongs to Sony

While that is technically true, you have to mod chip / jail break your ps2 to get the bios to be able to use the emulator.
Sony doesn't sell the BIOS nor made it available for use on anything besides the ps2, therefore pscx2 is in a gray area when it comes to legality.

Anyway I'm not going to download the bios from a dodgy site, nor am I going to jailbreak my ps2. So pointless download.

Yes cos Sony is going to lose so much money from you downloading a Bios from the internet for a system you already own and payed for but cant rip the bios yourself...



Well they'll lose the money from people buying the games they're putting resources into upscaling to 1080p and adding trophy support to, since there is another way of doing this by reverse engineering the BIOS out of a PS2 for use in a program not created by Sony.

Anyway tagging this for a read about encouraging people to circumvent buying games from digital marketplaces, just to see if such a thread is fine on Vgchartz forums. Just interested to see.

 





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OdinHades said:
Ok, seriously guys, drop that legal BS. I'm all for playing PS2 titles on PS4, I even bought San Andreas for 15 bucks. But who cares about someone getting a BIOS for the PS2? I bet even Sony doesn't mind. It's neglible, even if illegal on paper. I play SNES and GBA games on my PSP all day and I don't give two fucks about it. It's technically illegal, even though I do own the original games, but I still may not download them from the internet. But I couldn't care less. I want to play those games on the go!

Just let the people play on whatever platform they prefer. I don't have problems with people prefering PC with emulators, but I personally like it on Ps4 more.

 

Aye, it's just some people are probably reacting to the very first line of the OP.



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My personal opinion. People make a stink about too damn much. Firstly, PS2 Emulation was confirmed less than a month before released. People are acting like they kept PS2 games for when PS4 emulation came. While in the past Sony kept saying they're not really looking into BC. Meaning you clearly bought those games, either to just have. To play on PS2 or PS3. PS4 came with a new option, a new coat etc. PSOne Classics are $5.99 to $9.99. PS2 classics are I believe $9.99 to $14.99. No one complained about those prices, which imo are great. PS4 releases PS2 games with enhancements, trophies and ALL the natural capibilities of the PS4 (Can't say for the PS3). For the same price range, Now all of a sudden it's to much, Sony's being money hungry etc. WTF is up with the nasty gaming community. A Company can't just get a "Good Job". Doing this same PS2 Emulation using a Disc would be ridiculously hard with trophies etc involved. It would be a mess. I own Dark Cloud on disc, and I proudly bought it and Rouge Galaxy on PS4. I own Dark Cloud 2 and I'll proudly rebuy it as well when released on PS4:)