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tokilamockingbrd said:

well, I think this is the last time we will see the XB1 get timed 3rd party exclusive anything, unless they literally fund the whole thing (like Titanfall) and in that case it would not be timed, just plain old exclusive.

So far this gen almost every dev that has bet on XB1 has lost (TRR is the worst of all). I am sure there has been a couple positive cases (I guess Titanfall would be one because it would not have existed without going with MS)

Dragon Age: Inquistion- EA gave marketing rights and times exclusive DLC to XB1. To date has sold 1.68 mil on PS4 and .75 on XB1. Surely EA would have gotten more return had they focused it the userbase that wanted to play it.
Witcher 3- Sold 2.67 on PS4, .86 on XB1. But XB1 had marketing rights.
Sunset OD- Isomaniac went with XB1. has sold .89 mil to date, and that was with bundling.
AC Unity- Oh boy. Impossible to judge sales at all seeing as it was probably the probably most bundled game in Xbox history (save Kinect Adventures). But the whole way AC Unity was handled from the marketing/bundles on the console that has never played it as much (even when the X360 was killing PS3 AC still sold better on PS3), botched launch, bugs, etc. It seems to have sent that series on a rapid decline. Which is funny because Black Flag was a major comeback for the series after kinda declining each year after AC2.

I know someone is ready to respond with "But the PS4 has a larger userbase thus the sales differences". no kidding. The 2 main things a Publisher should look at when giving exclusive marketing rights 1. User base 2. Audience. After that they can look and see how much they are willing to pay. If the Publishers analysis says going with X platform will reduce total sales by 200k, then if they are willing to cover that well why not. Guaranteed money I guess.

For example I saw some people are noting that BO3 is selling slightly better on XB1 in US, even with the PS4 having marketing. Ok. But which console is it selling more on. Look at WW totals. Which is all that really matters.

Activision seems to have figured this out. EA might be coming around (Madden on XBox makes sense as that game is almost completely US centric), but any company that goes with XBox as lead on anything at this point either was paid a shit ton of money by MS or they are stupid (which I believe Square falls into on TRR).

Please note I am only talking about marketing rights and some timed/exclusive content. Software sells well enough on the XB1 to warrant a port in just about every case (JRPGs being the only obvious exception).

I see a lot of bias in this post alone (the less said regarding the thread, the better), since it doesn't even paint an accurate picture of what's happening. Insomniac already said Sunset Overdrive will not be coming to the PlayStation 4 for the time being and there are no plans to port it when asked. AC Unity sold just as much as the PS4 version, regardless of bundles or not.

Also, as someone has pointed out, the XONE has no support outside the US, hence why it sells slowly in the rest of the world, but I agree that MS better do exclusive deals if they are funding a game people in their camp do play, rather than stealing one from the other console (unless they buy the whole IP and move it over).



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AsGryffynn said:
tokilamockingbrd said:

 

I see a lot of bias in this post alone (the less said regarding the thread, the better), since it doesn't even paint an accurate picture of what's happening. Insomniac already said Sunset Overdrive will not be coming to the PlayStation 4 for the time being and there are no plans to port it when asked. AC Unity sold just as much as the PS4 version, regardless of bundles or not.

Also, as someone has pointed out, the XONE has no support outside the US, hence why it sells slowly in the rest of the world, but I agree that MS better do exclusive deals if they are funding a game people in their camp do play, rather than stealing one from the other console (unless they buy the whole IP and move it over).

You really think Isomaniac would not port it to PS4 if they could? Do they really hate money? Of course not. Whatever deal they made its to keep on Xbox. AC Unity did not sell more on XB1 if we exclude bundles. But like I said it was bundled non stop through the holidays until near the middle of this year. Remember VGC counts bundles in software sales. 

MS has tons of support outside of the US. It is pretty much only Japanese support they lack. UBI (France), CDPK (Poland) are just 2 examples of non-US devs/publishers to give marketing to the XB1 in the past year. I cant think of any Western dev that does not fully support the XB1. Most of Sony's exclusives next year are 1st party or Japanese based games (SF5, Star Ocean, Dragon Quest). 





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tokilamockingbrd said:
AsGryffynn said:

I see a lot of bias in this post alone (the less said regarding the thread, the better), since it doesn't even paint an accurate picture of what's happening. Insomniac already said Sunset Overdrive will not be coming to the PlayStation 4 for the time being and there are no plans to port it when asked. AC Unity sold just as much as the PS4 version, regardless of bundles or not.

Also, as someone has pointed out, the XONE has no support outside the US, hence why it sells slowly in the rest of the world, but I agree that MS better do exclusive deals if they are funding a game people in their camp do play, rather than stealing one from the other console (unless they buy the whole IP and move it over).

You really think Isomaniac would not port it to PS4 if they could? Do they really hate money? Of course not. Whatever deal they made its to keep on Xbox. AC Unity did not sell more on XB1 if we exclude bundles. But like I said it was bundled non stop through the holidays until near the middle of this year. Remember VGC counts bundles in software sales. 

MS has tons of support outside of the US. It is pretty much only Japanese support they lack. UBI (France), CDPK (Poland) are just 2 examples of non-US devs/publishers to give marketing to the XB1 in the past year. I cant think of any Western dev that does not fully support the XB1. Most of Sony's exclusives next year are 1st party or Japanese based games (SF5, Star Ocean, Dragon Quest). 



Yeah, no...

http://gamerant.com/insomniac-games-why-sunset-overdrive-xbox-one-exclusive/

Also, it matters not if it was bundled or not. It sold, that's the point... or do you think people buy the bundle to ditch the game?

And I mean support as in "they don't market to those regions" as some people have pointed out. Even last gen, Europe was more or less the same as today...





AsGryffynn said:

I see a lot of bias in this post alone (the less said regarding the thread, the better),

This coming from the guy that is protesting the PS4.





AC unity sold better on PS4, just saying



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Protendo said:
AsGryffynn said:

I see a lot of bias in this post alone (the less said regarding the thread, the better),

This coming from the guy that is protesting the PS4.



I can post regarding the PS4 without bias affecting my judgement, though they affect the likelihood of me spending money on it or doing anything that might benefit a company that is not doing what I want. They don't have to, but don't expect my money because I want them to sit like a good dog. If they don't, there's no treat, and since the other one is humoring me, they will have my money.

oniyide said:
AC unity sold better on PS4, just saying

Twice the userbase and only 700,000 more sales...





This Game would sell 5 times more on PS4. Shame on XBox common players who only play Call Of Duty.



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Nate4Drake said:
This Game would sell 5 times more on PS4. Shame on XBox common players who only play Call Of Duty.

Best statement so far. Indeed, a lot of the people who rallied around the "we have RotTR first" were the same people that didn't buy it over buying Codblops3 (which I don't like much)...

But it's still offensive y'know?





AsGryffynn said:
Protendo said:

I can post regarding the PS4 without bias affecting my judgement, though they affect the likelihood of me spending money on it or doing anything that might benefit a company that is not doing what I want. They don't have to, but don't expect my money because I want them to sit like a good dog. If they don't, there's no treat, and since the other one is humoring me, they will have my money.

oniyide said:
AC unity sold better on PS4, just saying

Twice the userbase and only 700,000 more sales...



 



1. its not twice the user base

2. it was heavily bundled on xone and not on PS4 at all (i know you were trying to ignore that, but no)

3. your initial comment is still wrong.



AsGryffynn said:
Nate4Drake said:
This Game would sell 5 times more on PS4. Shame on XBox common players who only play Call Of Duty.

Best statement so far. Indeed, a lot of the people who rallied around the "we have RotTR first" were the same people that didn't buy it over buying Codblops3 (which I don't like much)...

But it's still offensive y'know?



 

The game was never that big on Xbox systems in the first place. And all those people who said we have it first, never gave a damn about the game, just want to use it in a list wars to try to make there console of choice look better, but they were never going to put there money where there mouth was.