Repost from NPD thread, as I think it is more fitting here.

In the end The Order 1886 (PS4) outsells Tomb raider (XB1) during the holidays and with a 20% less install base. Guess exclusives during the holidays matters more right? That is of course US only,

I am sure worldwide it is an even worse case. Sony's spread out exclusives gets the media against them, but it is clearly working.

Oh and The Order 1886 is seen as a flop, yet it has outsold every single XB1 exclusive for 2015 aside from Halo 5.

17M to 32M... That's twice the userbase...

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Assassin%27s+Creed&publisher=&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

And we've been pretty big...

Also, what's the point of saying "it was bundled"? There were other bundles at a similar price. People still bought the AssCreed one... do bundles not count?

And which comment? I do not know what initial comment you're referring to...

I agree... saying we only play CoD is insulting though...

I think the reason The Order was considered a flop was that it sold very slowly... I mean, it's higher than GoW Ultimate Edition, but it had more time to sell and it's obvious GoW has legs, so there's that too...

RotTR flopping did not surprise me, but Forza did... other than that, it seems most of our exclusives this year have been digital, compared to 2014 where we had lots of disc exclusives... I think this might have something to do with why we didn't take this November... it also seems Halo is starting to suffer from fatigue...

Perhaps it's time to shelve Halo and move on to a new IP... Titanfall perhaps...

I was only referring to first month sales. They all had similar timeframes to sell, but The Order comes out on top, with a smaller userbase in US.

I can only hope that MS new ips do well, and was sad that Sunset Overdrive didn't do so hot. I would rather MS try to innovate new franchises, then to just hold onto their old franchises. Reboots of Rare, Ensemble, and FASA studio games would be nice too.

Wait, the PS4 has a smaller userbase than the XONE? Even in the US, I had the impression the XONE still played catch up...

Yea I was confused by that as well.

When the Order launched in Feb this year, PS4 has an install base of 7M+ in the USA.

When RoTR launched in November, Xone has an install base of 9.5M in the USA.

Well at the end of the day this is just conjecture from both of our ends.   You assume MS paid for enough, but honestly I think this is what happened: MS agreed to pay for all of the marketing, and in return SE could push back the PS4 release so they didn't have to compete with Uncharted 4.  But now TR sold terribly on X1 and the PS4 launch is a little closer than it was going to be.

On launch of those games The Order 1886 had less userbase then the Xbox One in 2015. As Kurasakiichimaru said, 7m+ to 9.5m for tomb raider. For Gears, Rare Replay, and Forza it was 7m+ to 7.5-7.8m.

Wow I'd never have thought the order would sell more. Genuinely legit shocked.

Hmm, that's... odd...

Were most of The Order's sales day one? For the month?

If so, either we're spread too thin or some of us love to talk the talk and don't buy anything...