Hmm you're right. Lemme do some mental calcs...8th gen should tally up to about 160 million...Oh so what I meant by close to 6th gen is actually close to the winner of the 6th gen. My bad.

It's funny because Microsoft is calling it their "best lineup" yet it failed so hard. How is that not funny? Not to mention they're calling their 2016 lineup also their "best lineup". It's obviously just a marketing slogan but calling it the "best lineup" every year is ridiculous.

Really? That's your excuse? If if they waited for the price drop at November? I don't see the PS4 being almost flat YoY with their price drop.

Nope I don't really think it failed hard that is just your opinion it seems Forza 6, Halo 5 and Gears in the same year is good I don't think thats ever happen before. But in my opinion next year will be better starting with Quantum Break which is a day one buy for me and of course Gears 4. I will decide whether I get Crackdown 3.

I don't think you understand X1 sales did increase from last year, there was even someone here who believe it was overtracked by 200K but it wasn't the case. 

No I'm pretty sure they failed because their objective with this slogan and literally every other slogan etc are to sell consoles. I'm 100% sure they expected the Xbox One to be higher than 5% YoY for the month of November. They expected consumers to buy the Xbox One because it would have the "best lineup in xbox history". I'm actually not sure why anyone would think didn't fail when you say you have the best lineup in xbox history with JUST a 5% increase YoY. And I'm pretty sure you're forgetting Microsoft also launched their biggest game, Halo and that's all it did....5%. It is a failure.

Also, I didn't say the Xbox didn't increase from last year, I said it was almost flat YoY, meaning it was barely an increase, ie 5%. Just for comparison PS4 was up 85% YoY for November. 

If you just look at PSXbox and remove the Nintendo fluctuations 7th gen is smaller than 8th gen, so in theory 8th gen should be smaller than 9th gen, I guess you have tyo figure some people went from PS2 to Wii so you can't exclude all Wii sales for the purposes of how PS4 + Xb one will end up. So perhaps you can figure 10-20 million PS4 sold to Wii owners from last gen coming back to PS, or hopping across to Xb one. Obviously Nintendo is going to push the button early on a new console, and it would be completely wrong to give Nintendo 2 bites at the 8th gen cherry for analysing intergenerational sales patterns. I also think MS is not going to be satisfied with falling from being on par with PS3, in the end, to being up to 2:1 behind globally and 3:1 - 4:1 behind outside of USA South America and UK. If PS4 builds up a significant lead Xb one is likely to follow NX reasonably quickly and hit the reset button and make sure to butter up gamers rather than piss them off when they announce the next console. MS may have accepted it's lost the 8th gen badly, but it really wants to actually win a generation, so they are going to put up with this gen only as long as they need to. No doubt they have a preliminary design for Xbox One-2 already scoped out, anbd a final design will probably be almost done at the end of next year.

You could almost take a top line gaming PC from 2012 slap it in a box and call it a 9th gen console. That's probably the amount of power we're looking at, so figure out when that can be packaged as a console and put it on the market for $399 and you'll have the launch window for the 9th gen Xbox.

This was a fun read. Good sales all around.

At least we have geniusses here on VGC that are able to demystify the complicated marketing and PR and comprehend what MS is trying to do so that nobody falls for this deception!

Thanks for the complement bud. It was fun reading what you had to say when you don't explain things.

Owww your sig is just a crazy prediction, since I don't know when you made it I won't confront that, Yussuf Mehdi said this gen would sell 1 Billion consoles.

I was talking about the total of 3rd party exclusives on PS4 being 1% of the library and then you saying that, tecmo, namco and some other companies made 30% of PS4 library but only 10% of X1. You never presented the evidence for the claim and both are antagonists.

Well you have to thank him, he is seeing how much you are able to see through MS PR.

And on the best lineup ever... one of MS spokeperson said like 1 week ago that from the looks of things 2016 holiday will see the best lineup on xbox history.

I was wondering the same, though numbers should be impressive !