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i will let Sticker Star slide since Paper Jam looks amazing. I was also never into any of the mario sports games. Mario Party is just unacceptable though. not even kidding, it uses the same models and sound effects from MP9, and the same sound effects were also used Wii Party U. so its basically just a rehash. that and Island Tour was basically just a race to the finish. When the NX comes out it needs the best Mario Party game ever



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Well still I think mainline Mario games were extremely good this gen: Super Mario 3D World, Super Mario 3D Land, New Super Mario Bros U, New Super Luigi U, New Super Mario 2 and Super Mario Maker !!



Do Mario vs Donkey Kong, Luigi's Mansion and Dr. Mario games count? cause we had those too

I enjoyed Mario Kart, the RPGs (including Sticker Star) and even the sport ones and Party, some weren't as good as previous entries for sure, but I still got my share of fun out of them.

Cannot wait for Paper Jam.



Skullwaker said:

To be fair, Mario Kart did start out with Super Mario Kart. And the RPG series with Super Mario RPG.


Title is just one thing, those games aren't even platformers.



Yerm said:
i will let Sticker Star slide since Paper Jam looks amazing.


Paper Jam is not a PM game, rather a M&L game that just has PM characters in it, incase ya didn't know.



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ARamdomGamer said:
Do Mario vs Donkey Kong, Luigi's Mansion and Dr. Mario games count? cause we had those too

I enjoyed Mario Kart, the RPGs (including Sticker Star) and even the sport ones and Party, some weren't as good as previous entries for sure, but I still got my share of fun out of them.

Cannot wait for Paper Jam.


I kept it to retail releases, though yeah Luigi's Mansion does count so I'll add that one.



paper Mario Jam is good - funny and different from the others



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Einsam_Delphin said:


Tennis Open is alright yeah, but the giant steaming pile of turd that is Ultra Smash weighs the franchise overall down heavily this gen. Honestly I don't know anything about World Tour, only that it had day 1 DLC, so yeah. :L

It´s a great game. If you find it in a sale and like Mario Sports games, I´d recommend it.

It has an interesting and compellling Mii Career mode, where you play several tournaments (unlocking its respective courses for other modes), face some optional challenges and get gear for your character (changing its stats). It also has several tutorials and small challenges to improve your skills, off-line and online multiplayer. Yeah, there´s the DLC, but the game itself seems polished enough even without the extra courses.



Time to try something new. When a game reaches part 8, part 10, etc. it's probably time to move on to something new. The consumer may even get sick of it. It's happened with me and Mario Kart and Dynasty Warriors. Same crap over & over again. And who can't get sick of Mario characters playing sports? It's just a way to add something to attract loyal fans to less than mediocre games.



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When it comes to Party and Tennis on Wii U, it's quite simple as to why they're underwhelming and why Tennis lacks so much content. Nintendo have small subsidiaries turning out HD games in a short span of time. Both Camelot and Nd Cube have 50 or fewer staff, and Nd Cube worked on both Mario Party and Amiibo Festival this year. From what I've heard about Tennis what is there plays brilliantly, and zips along at a rock solid 60fps, but obviously Camelot haven't had time to make new stadiums, more characters, animation cycles and modes, all of which require more work than they did in previous generations.

The manpower requirements for development are much higher than they used to be, and although Nintendo have expanded in recent years, it's been obvious they haven't kept pace with the demands of modern development. They admitted as much when they said they were surprised by the difficulty of their transition to HD development. They've turned out brilliant games, obviously, but what we've seen this year with underwhelming releases on Wii U are the cost of Nintendo's mistakes at managing their internal resources.

3DS struggled after launch and needed more software support thrown behind it, which had a knock-on effect on Wii U development, which was already struggling because Nintendo under-estimated the demands of HD development; Wii U's commercial performance has consistently been terrible, which means third party support evaporated, which meant there was simultaneously more pressure on an over-stretched Nintendo to supply more software to a system which would never guarantee strong returns. 2015 is simply the year when Nintendo's mistakes have most obviously shown in their software output.

As for the dissatisfaction with the Mario spin-offs, I'd point out that Kart 7 and 8 are arguably the best Kart games yet. I definitely wouldn't say Paper Mario has become 'garbage', but the last two entries haven't been as good as the first two, which were first-class RPGs. Underwhelming, decent, sure, but not garbage. Mario & Luigi is simply a series that hasn't evolved massively, sticking to a formula it nailed at the first attempt--which means critical and fan reaction is always going to fall short of exemplary. As I said with the Sports and Party games (were that many of the Party games ever particularly strong?), Nintendo have been asking their subsidiaries to turn out games that require more resources in relatively short spans of time with the same staff levels they've had for years. And, finally, when it comes to the other sports spin-offs, Nintendo did say that after the GameCube, there'd be fewer Mario spin-offs. That comes from memory, but I will try to find a source.

Finally, I'd argue in Luigi's Mansion 2 and Captain Toad, this generation has two of the finest Mario spin-offs released for sometime, to go alongside two of the strongest Mario Kart games yet.