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Forums - Politics - White House: Donald Trump's proposal to ban Muslims "disqualifies"* him

 

Should Trump have a consequence for his actions?

Yes, no one should propos... 261 56.62%
 
No, we should ban all Mus... 126 27.33%
 
other 74 16.05%
 
Total:461
johnsobas said:
yes it is clickbait, not a single place in your whole post did you say that this is just temporary until we figure out how to better screen people to be sure they aren't terrorists. He also specified that it is not for US citizens, again nowhere in your post. I'm not pro-trump but you need to be fair.

How can it in any way be better, just because it is temporary? To even make the assumption that, based of the religion of some terrorists (that are a very small minority of the whole group) you should ban an entire religion, is bigoted and fascist in its very nature. I know Donald Trump doesn´t care about the american constitution but this kind of action should lead to an immidiate impeachment of him as president.

Donald Trump is by far, the closest american politics has ever had to a Mussolini or a Hitler. He doesn´t regard people from minorities as equal to him and he uses scare tactics on people to get them to stand behind him in all of his fascist proposals. He, and the rest of the republican field, will actually disqualify the entire party from the presidential office for atleast the coming 8-12 years. They will not get the vote since they have become a party that shouts "freedom!" while they infringe on the rights of women and minorities.



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Lawlight said:

Well, the Grand Mufti of Australia blamed the Western world for the attacks in Paris and he wasn't arrested. Minorities are the only ones allowed to speak freely.

That's not what he did. He said that the western world's approach to dealing with the terrorist threat is wrong, and that racism and islamophobia is only encouraging further terrorism. He didn't blame the western world for the attacks, he said that the west needed to change their approach.

Here's what he literally said: "These recent incidents highlight the fact that current strategries to deal with the threat of terrorism are not working. It is therefore imperative that all causative factors such as racism, Islamophobia, curtailing freedoms through securitisation, duplicitous foreign policies and military intervention must be comprehensively addressed."

His words were poorly chosen, but there's a huge difference between that and Trump's call for discrimination and persecution of muslims. The point he's making is entirely legitimate - you can't defeat terrorism by military action. You defeat it by removing the conditions that result in radicalisation. And until people stop scapegoating a religion within which about 99.99% of adherents are just regular people wanting to live their lives, and start treating the problem of terrorism as the kind of problem it really is - the result economic and social injustices - you won't be able to resolve the problem of terrorism. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't blame terrorists for their actions - we most certainly should. But a terrorist act is different from the collective concept of "terrorism".

That's what he was clearly *trying* to say. Unfortunately, by using the phrase "causative factors", he's implying direct causality. He should have said "enabling factors". Kind of like how a wife isn't to blame if her husband is an alcoholic, but if she buys him alcohol, and she encourages him to get out of the house (knowing that he's going to go to the bar), then she's certainly enabling his alcoholism. The western world isn't to blame for the attacks in Paris, but it is certainly enabling terrorism by creating the conditions within which terrorist organisations recruit people.



I really hope the american citizens overall have good enough commom sense to not vote for this moron.
He is already displaying anti-constitutional, anti-freedom tendencys, that should be enough for anyone to not vote for him.
If he somehow get's to be president, you will be facing way worse, than in the second Bush era. Also, america will make itself the laughthing stock of international relations. Even the fact that he's is not out of the race yet is worriyng.



The poll results in this thread are scary. But it's still nice to see the bigger percentage being lovely people.

However I expected a bigger percentage of lovely people, especially since most people here are probably educated and don't represent the general populace.

Are they kicking out Muhammad Ali too? I like him.

What about the billions of dollars invested by Muslims in the states? Do they not want that money either?

Anyway, now I know that roughly 28 percent of people in this forum are bigoted simpletons.



I don't see the problem. Muslims can't be trusted, they've proved this too many times too count. They should absolutely not be allowed to enter I to any proper countries. 

 

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AbbathTheGrim said:
DolPhanTendo said:
I just read something interesting about Japan and how Islam s very limited in there country to the point of the Quran has to be printed in Japanese to be legal.
Have you ever heard of Terrorist attack in Japan?

https://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie-translator.html

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-07-13/news/mn-1822_1_satanic-verses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitoshi_Igarashi#Death


You are so blunt man. Japan didnt create al Qaeda, ISIS, supported Israeli occuption or interfered in any way possible in the Middle East, or killed hunderd of thousends civilians in Iraq and turned one of the most oil rich countries to the worst place to live in the world.

 

Why would any one be conerned about Japan, go figure...

 



Insidb said:
binary solo said:

But was he actually wrong? I partly blame the Western world for the attacks in Paris, all the way back to the end of World War 1, the Western World has made various screw ups in its handling of the lands of the Middle East which progressively lead to greater levels of animosity towards Western powers AND conditions ripe for the formation of extremist groups. It does take two to tango, and the West has been tangoing plenty when it comes to the people of the middle east.

Americans have very selective memories that often omit the parts that involve the CIA destabilizing South American, Central American, Northern Africa, and Middle Eastern nations, to name a few locales. If most people bothered to read about how Iran Contra engineered the Taliban and Al Qaeda and the Iraq War engineered ISIS, they's be singing a starkly different tune. ISIS is heavily recruiting people from Syria and Iraq who hate America. Why? Here's a secret: it's not because of their religious fundamentalism and the way we live. It's because we have been bombing these nations for the past 14 years. While we mourn the tragic loss of 4,000+ soldiers in Iraq, they mourn the loss of 500,000+ people. Here's another secret: that's a low estimate, and those weren't 500,000+ soldiers. When they attacked San Bernardino and killed 14 civilians, we correctly mourned them and many called for retaliation ( a la Paris). Yesterday, a coalition strike killed 26 Syrian civilians. How do you think they reacted? As an American, I am appalled that my fellow citizens fail to think on such a basic level as the lesson taught to them in their 4th grade reading of To Kill a Mockingbird: "Walk a Mile in Their Shoes," Until we take accountability for our actions and treat all humans like humans, history will repeat itself.

Well said. Thank You



AlfredoTurkey said:
Politics are like the WWF. Unless you're a kid, there's no excuse to believe what you're seeing is real.

Congrats for the definition. xD



Do you seriously don't see a diference between a catholic or muslin being a criminal and doing mass murdering because of religion?? Left wing wants to ban gun because some missuse it, but for terrorists it's biggotry even if you see a lot of non radical wants sharia and are acceptable to jihad



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I have nothing against Trump. I mean the guy is truly an idiot, but there are a lot of idiots with similar views everywhere. I don't blame the media either. He brings in the ratings and that's all they care about.

I blame people who support him. I've yet to meet in real life anyone who agrees with his views and if I were to, the conversation would stop there and I would simply not bother with them ever again. This is not simply a different opinion. We're talking about all sorts of discrimination. Not only that but think of all the minorities in America and how terrified they are hearing how well Trump is doing in the polls. It makes you think "is that what my fellow citizens think of me?"