Why not just rule together? Ever since the Wii I don't feel like we can trust Nintendo or Sony... yes, this has to do with both companies being Japanese...

Also, MS did not kill Sega. They commited suicide by releasing what is pretty much this generation's Wii U back then. If anything, MS has been a good influence by forcing companies to eliminate the divide between consoles and PC and making the market more diverse. I'd rather they stay and Nintendo leave than Nintendo staying and consoles staying in the technological counterpart of the age of discovery...

I wonder why some feel MS has to leave. They are doing a great service to the gaming community by bringing down the wall between PC and console gamers and making other companies follow suit. Sega was unable to because they were too early, not because someone knocked them out of the market. Nintendo, however, had it coming when they choose to release a weak console. 

No... They should partner with Steam.

Hey if MS and Nintendo want to partner somehow, that'd be fine with me. 

But the fact is the market ultimately decides and the market has never supported three successful consoles in a generation, except for the Wii which had to bank on the casual audience that's been completely corrupted by freemium gaming on their smart devices. Nintendo can't sit around and wait for a controller miracle to fall into their lap again (fun fact: the Wiimote was invented by an American who shopped the idea to Sony and MS first, it wasn't even made by Nintendo, which shows you how precarious an idea like that is). 

If Nintendo is going to survive in the hardware business, then they need to simply adopt an attitude of going for the kill. The industry is what it is. You can either adapt to that or sit around and die. 

They have to toughen up in a lot of ways. I liked Iwata as a person, but I hope Kimishima can understand that. Microsoft is not some unbeatable entity either .... Nintendo can beat them if they're smart and act swiftly, Sony is a tiny company compared to MS too yet they've managed to take them out. Nintendo gave MS too much respect; they're a great OS company sure. But 15 years in and the XBox brand is basically spinning its wheels stuck in the same rut it was at the beginning -- viable mostly only in the US and far behind the Playstation everywhere else. 

If Nintendo can make the NX take off in Japan, have OK-ish sales in all of Europe (not just the UK), and then start to make inroads in the US maybe more akin to the N64 (which was very popular in the US) ... they are in business even if Sony far exceeds them. But MS, they gotta get them, they can't be in third place, it's time to lose the "loser-ey" attitue that third place is OK. It's not when you're not selling 100 million handheld units every 5 years anymore. 

Nintendo should EARN their position. If they can't win without someone stepping out then they shouldn't be in the console market. Just because a company need it more shouldn't hold any weight. 

I'm curious. Why do you think we're two or three gens away from a console collapse? Also ( in regards to your other comment) how has Microsoft broken the barrier between PC and consoles? If anything I see Sony doing that with things like allowing SFV to be played on both platforms online (while MS said no dice). 

That would be impossible since neither of them will agree with this idea. It's like asking Sony and VALVE to have a join venture together.

As for the OP. Xbox One isnt weak, the games are selling and the console ARE selling. Xbox is also backed by the biggest software company in the world. So yeah, no way it's "weak", lol.

Err, they have... if one console flops, it's because it was released mid gen and had mid gen specs that made it into an oddball that is too much of a hassle to support...

As for the Xbox brand, it literally has the opposite problem of Nintendo. They are deeply rooted in the Anglosphere, whereas Nintendo spreads themselves too thin and wind up as a minority everywhere. Sony is the only company that has mastered the "take over key markets and the rest will follow suit" approach and that's why they are outselling everyone else.

Since MS doesn't has to collapse for Nintendo to succeed, all Nintendo has to do is take the market that is still disputed ground and they will easily square up against MS... once they realize that they are both in a battle where they can't win, they will join forces to override Sony and then divide the markets between them. For a picture of how it would look if the Wii U had been as powerful as the XONE and PS4, we would literally have three consoles hovering at the 20M mark together with fluctuations throughout the year (the XONE hikes to 23M during the holidays, the PS4 catches up steadily throughout the year, the Wii U+ then builds momentum during Summer) and the three companies would be giving it their all to finish first.

The market can deal with three (though four is way too much) if they are close enough spec and price wise. In fact, one of the reasons for the huge gap in sales with the PS4 for the XONE was that the console was $100 more and had inferior hardware. If it had been released as an standalone and been cheaper, it would have been a much smaller gap since the price would justify the performance.

If I was Nintendo, I'd start by taking a look at that continent I call home and Americans and Japanese call "Europe" since that's terra nullius as far as consoles go...

That's wishful thinking. Third Party hasn't helped Nintendo since the Gamecube.

Except for Wii their home consoles have been declining since the SNES.

Handheld market is in a heavy decline. Maybe Sony bringing no new handheld at all will help a little bit.

And Nintendo combining console and handheld might probably lead to another underpowered home console no one really wants and no major third party or at least no western third party develops for.

Nintendos next gen is very far from guaranteed success.

If Wii U was successful, the XBox One would likely be nowhere close to 20M right now. It would be third place. 

Nintendo needs to adopt the attitude that third place isn't good enough. And it isn't. They can't survive like that as a hardware maker with the luxury of a massive portable market eroding away from them. 

They need to take a stand in the console space and say enough is enough and fight. Waiting for controller miracles is nice and all, and if one falls into your lap by fluke, well ok then, but you need to have some kind of philisophy beyond just banking on controllers. It was always kind of a dumb strategy anyway because a controller is easy to copy, Sony/MS were just painfully slow in copy the Wiimote for whatever reason but there was nothing hard about it.

I wouldn't advocate Nintendo fighting MS if MS really had their shit together and looked unbeatable and had started making big gains in Europe and even some in Japan. Too much money. But they don't have it all together, and with Halo showing signs of fading as a console mover, I think MS is ripe for the taking. Nintendo needs to zero in on that and attack, just like Sony went at them hard when they looked at what MS was doing and pinpointed weakness/mistakes to take advantage of. 

The small demographic who are interested in both Nintendo and Microsoft consoles is probably so small they don't need to bother. Maybe some here will play Gears and Zelda, but most people wont.