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Goodnightmoon said:
OneKartVita said:


That's not true.  Nintendo games sell well long term not just because they're good but also because of severe lack of competition which means the players are left with little other options.  

 

And there are wii u games still at high price that are selling worse than ps4/X1 games that get discounted anyway.  So no its not because all the expensive wii u games are selling great.  Only a handful are.  


The world was not born in 2012, you know that? WiiU may not have much competition, but fucking Wii and DS had a ton and the games were still selling for years and with the same price, It happened the same with 3DS, with GBA, with GC, etc... it has always been like this for Nintendo, because their games keep selling with or without competition. You just really want to find the evilness of something that makes 100% sense, their games keep selling for years, ergo the perceived value of them for their public stays the same for years, ergo they keep the same price for years, that's called logic in my town.


What you just said is wrong.  Simple as.  

 

I just told you not all quality titles by Nintendo that are still at a high price sell well.  So that theory of yours is incorrect.  

 

I know people will say the Wii U is a secondary console that compliments their pc/ps4/X1 but it's a bloody expensive one when you factor in the ridiculous game prices.  



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Goodnightmoon said:
AlfredoTurkey said:


There are alot of AAA games that have legs like Nintendo games. GTA is one of them. 

Did you read the part where I say "outside a few exceptions"?


List all the Wii U games that are currently selling great long after release.  There's a handful.  Not many at all.  So why are the games that aren't selling well at rip off prices? 



OneKartVita said:
Goodnightmoon said:


The world was not born in 2012, you know that? WiiU may not have much competition, but fucking Wii and DS had a ton and the games were still selling for years and with the same price, It happened the same with 3DS, with GBA, with GC, etc... it has always been like this for Nintendo, because their games keep selling with or without competition. You just really want to find the evilness of something that makes 100% sense, their games keep selling for years, ergo the perceived value of them for their public stays the same for years, ergo they keep the same price for years, that's called logic in my town.


What you just said is wrong.  Simple as.  

 

I just told you not all quality titles by Nintendo that are still at a high price sell well.  So that theory of yours is incorrect.  

 

I know people will say the Wii U is a secondary console that compliments their pc/ps4/X1 but it's a bloody expensive one when you factor in the ridiculous game prices.  

Not when you factor the relation quality/price though.

And no, what I said is indeed a fact, Nintendo has always donde this, with or without competition, because for the most part they keep selling for a long time, and they keep that model for all their games, because even if a 20% does not have legs, the other 80% have.



Goodnightmoon said:
OneKartVita said:


What you just said is wrong.  Simple as.  

 

I just told you not all quality titles by Nintendo that are still at a high price sell well.  So that theory of yours is incorrect.  

 

I know people will say the Wii U is a secondary console that compliments their pc/ps4/X1 but it's a bloody expensive one when you factor in the ridiculous game prices.  

Not when you factor the relation quality/price though.

And no, what I said is indeed a fact, Nintendo has always donde this, with or without competition, because or the most part they keep selling for a long time, and they keep that model for all their games, because even if a 20% does not have legs, the other 80% have.


The sales dont back your claim.  What wii u games that are out a long time are selling well that can justify the absurd price?  splatoon,  mario kart 8, yoshi,  mario 3d and smash.  

 

That's 5 games.  FIVE.  

 

There are so many wii u games that are old and either always sold like crap or are selling like crap now because they're old.  

 

Yet Nintendo refuses to drop the price and rip off or deter any late comers to the system. 



OneKartVita said:

Until dawn which was a sleeper hit not long ago could be got for $20. If that was Nintendo it would be double.  Dishonoured won game of the year awards in 2012 and a few months later I got it for $25. 

 

The fact is Nintendo take advantage of the fact none of their games have competition and the fans get ripped off.  

 

If you buy a wii u now and a ps4 you'd get waaaay more quality games for let's say $20 on the ps4 then the Wii U.  

 

It's economics 101. Competition benefits the consumer and on the Wii U there's no competition.  

I guess we're ignoring the 3DS here then, which does in fact have competition from a number of third parties and yet Nintendo games still retain their value.

Oh look, Pokemon X/Y and ORAS still retail for about $40. Animal Crossing: New Leaf for about $30. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon for $30. Then you have third party games, Story of Seasons is $40. Persona Q for $50. Professor Layton & The Azran Legacy is still $40. Seems it's just not Nintendo, huh? And this is with competition.

Maybe the fact that Until Dawn can be found cheap now is because of the value regarding the game. It's not exactly something that can be replayed a bunch of times by the average consumer. It's very much like a movie, most people are done with the first viewing. Word of mouth was great for the game at first but it's kind of died down now since there's not much else to talk about, thus the need to cut the price to retain interest. It isn't just due to competition. If it was, Rayman Legends wouldn't be $35 and GTAV wouldn't be $40.

Word to the wise, paying full price for a game is never a bad thing when the game is of high quality. And this goes for any game, not just Nintendo games.



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OneKartVita said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Did you read the part where I say "outside a few exceptions"?


List all the Wii U games that are currently selling great long after release.  There's a handful.  Not many at all.  So why are the games that aren't selling well at rip off prices? 

Sorry?

Super Mario 3D World first month: 970k    SM3DW now: 3.7 m
Hyrule Warriors fm: 410k                    HW now: 1.1m
Tropical Freeze fm:  340k                     TF now: 1.25m
Smash 4 fm: 1.9m                                  Smash 4 now: 4m
Splatoon fm:  1m                                   Splatoon now: 2.5m
NSMBU fm: 950k                                    NSMBU now: 5m
Captain Toad fm: 385k                          Captain Toad now: 900k
Wind Waker HD fm: 360k                     WW HD now: 1.5m
New Super Luigi U fm: 130k                 NSLU now: 2.2m
Mario Kart 8 fm: 1.9m                           MK8 now: 5.6m

And the exact same is gonna happen with SMM and Yoshi, and the same will hapen to Twilight Princess HD, Pokken, Star Fox and Zelda U.

Those are the majority of games they personally released on the system!





Good on them. Goes to prove that MS isn't a greedy corp destroying the industry like most fanboys think. In Fact if not brought out by MS or brought by Sony there wouldn't be a WiiU version. MS really do respect Nintendo, after all they released gameboy titles in the past.



Goodnightmoon said:
OneKartVita said:


List all the Wii U games that are currently selling great long after release.  There's a handful.  Not many at all.  So why are the games that aren't selling well at rip off prices? 

Sorry?

Super Mario 3D World first month: 970k    SM3DW now: 3.7 m
Hyrule Warriors fm: 410k                    HW now: 1.1m
Tropical Freeze fm:  340k                     TF now: 1.25m
Smash 4 fm: 1.9m                                  Smash 4 now: 4m
Splatoon fm:  1m                                   Splatoon now: 2.5m
NSMBU fm: 950k                                    NSMBU now: 5m
Captain Toad fm: 385k                          Captain Toad now: 900k
Wind Waker HD fm: 360k                     WW HD now: 1.5m
New Super Luigi U fm: 130k                 NSLU now: 2.2m
Mario Kart 8 fm: 1.9m                           MK8 now: 5.6m

And the exact same is gonna happen with SMM and Yoshi, and the same will hapen to Twilight Princess HD, Pokken, Star Fox and Zelda U.

Those are the majority of games they personally released on the system!




I've named 5 titles that are currently selling OK to well. 

 

No other old titles are selling well currently. They may have sold well in the past but not now which proves the point they need price cuts.  



OneKartVita said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Sorry?

Super Mario 3D World first month: 970k    SM3DW now: 3.7 m
Hyrule Warriors fm: 410k                    HW now: 1.1m
Tropical Freeze fm:  340k                     TF now: 1.25m
Smash 4 fm: 1.9m                                  Smash 4 now: 4m
Splatoon fm:  1m                                   Splatoon now: 2.5m
NSMBU fm: 950k                                    NSMBU now: 5m
Captain Toad fm: 385k                          Captain Toad now: 900k
Wind Waker HD fm: 360k                     WW HD now: 1.5m
New Super Luigi U fm: 130k                 NSLU now: 2.2m
Mario Kart 8 fm: 1.9m                           MK8 now: 5.6m

And the exact same is gonna happen with SMM and Yoshi, and the same will hapen to Twilight Princess HD, Pokken, Star Fox and Zelda U.

Those are the majority of games they personally released on the system!




I've named 5 titles that are currently selling OK to well. 

 

No other old titles are selling well currently. They may have sold well in the past but not now which proves the point they need price cuts.  

Is not about the total number of sales, is about how much they grow with time, they all keep growing without a price cut so they dont need a price cut. Is their model and it has always worked like that, they will eventually get cheaper, but they grow anyways so until they lose all their potential for sales they are gonna keep a very similar price.  And the old games of that list are still selling, SM3DWorld is from 2013 and has sold like 700k this year, and it will be more once the holidays are over. The only one that is getting something similar to a price cut is NSMBU that now comes together with NSMLU for the price of 1. That's it. And is mostly because NSMBU is the oldest game of the console.



AlfredoTurkey said:
midrange said:


Minecraft wasn't exclusive before buying it, and they said that after buying it, they weren't going to make it exclusive.

To them, minecraft has more potential for revenue by expanding the franchise, not by limiting it (which makes sense). They also have a reason to do so


I could totally see Minecraft 2 being an Xbox exclusive. It's the one game, imo, that would bring that console brand back from the dead. 

Lol, the xbox console brand is not dead. With or without minecraft 2, the xbox brand is still strong enough to stay alive.

Likewise, Minecraft has more potential in working on other platforms. This is an IP that could really rival the likes of mario, pokemon, gta, or cod in sales. The last thing microsoft would want to do is limit its possibilities for growth.