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potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
 


Ohh right on then, so what's the name of Nintendo's next console?

*crickets*

And what's the marketing plan?

*crickets*

And the price?

*crickets*

And the controller?

*crickets*

And the launch lineup?

*crickets*


Yeah, I think we're done here. This is absolutely ridiculous how people can pretend they know Nintendo's exact plan when they literally nothing about the console has been announced at all. Nothing. Everything you're saying is purely speculation.

Of Course, we don't know anything for sure because nothing was confirmed at this point, but we have Nintendo plans and things Nintendo said will do with new platform and console, also we have recently Nintendo patents. So my opinion about NX is based on that.


Maybe you should go back and take a look at the patents Nintendo has made over the years and just how many of them wound up in their products. I'll give you a hint: It's a small fraction. To be fair it goes the same for Sony and Microsoft and any other major developer of technology. Ppatents have always been a very poor indicator of what products a company will release.

In terms of what Nintendo says the NX will actually do, we know next to nothing, just "the vision of the direction the company will move in". It's all marketing and corporate speak that has little to no relevance to the products a company actually produces. If you look at what Sony said of the PS3 before it was announced you'd swear it would replace every device under your television for the next 10 years. That turned out to be a stretch, but it kept investors interested.

This Nintendo recent patents are basically what Nintendo talks about new consoles and platforms. Of Course, that doesnt mean that those patents will be 100% be part of NX, but I say that are good chance.

Those Nintendo NX talks and plans directly address some problems and mistakes they made with Wii U and they had in previous generations too. For instance they admit they can't any longer support two completely different platform like they done it till this gen, that leads to software droughts and weak support, and that's one of main reasons for their plan for unifed or integrated platform.

Sony made same mistakes with PS3, but with PS4 they basically corrected all those mistakes.


Nintendo's recent patents in no way indicate what will or will not be part of the NX. Look at the patents Sony made a year or so before the announcement of PS1, PS2 and PS3. Look at the patents MS made a year or two before the Xbox, Xbox 360 or Xbox One. Same goes for the same time period before any console release. A small fraction of the patents ever see the light of day, much less in the console that is released within that 1-2 year time frame. Again, it is in no way an indicator of what will be part of the NX. For all you know these could be patents relating to research into what will succeed the NX. It really does not indicate anything.

As for Nintendo talks and plans, please go ahead and reference the announcement that they will have a unified platform with a single game being plauable on multiple form factors. Ohh right! There is none! For all you know the successors to the Wii U and 3DS will be two completely seperate devices that have completely different games as Nintendo has done in the past, but the hardware's architecture is more similar making it slightly easier to make games for both separate platforms, and OS of both is designed in such a way to make it easier to do cross-platform multiplayer. There. That would be both more unified and integrated, and would do next to nothing to make any meaningful improvements to Nintendo's situation, and my scenario is equally as likely as anything you dream up. You're blatantly guessing at this point.

Again, only difrence is that those patents are basicly what Nintendo talked about new consoles and platforms.

 

Well you certainly are not familiar with Nintendo plans:

"Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

"A dedicated video game platform with a brand new concept" by taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country."

"I can assure you we’re not building the next version of Wii or Wii U. It’s something unique and different. It’s something where we have to move away from those platforms in order to make it something that will appeal to our consumer base.”

Also Nintendo recently merged their hardware and software divisions and teams.

 

All that and NIntendo patents, indicate that they are going for unified platform that will be running same game across different devices, and that is largley accepted opinion about what NX is. Of Course, you can think different.



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Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
 

This Nintendo recent patents are basically what Nintendo talks about new consoles and platforms. Of Course, that doesnt mean that those patents will be 100% be part of NX, but I say that are good chance.

Those Nintendo NX talks and plans directly address some problems and mistakes they made with Wii U and they had in previous generations too. For instance they admit they can't any longer support two completely different platform like they done it till this gen, that leads to software droughts and weak support, and that's one of main reasons for their plan for unifed or integrated platform.

Sony made same mistakes with PS3, but with PS4 they basically corrected all those mistakes.


Nintendo's recent patents in no way indicate what will or will not be part of the NX. Look at the patents Sony made a year or so before the announcement of PS1, PS2 and PS3. Look at the patents MS made a year or two before the Xbox, Xbox 360 or Xbox One. Same goes for the same time period before any console release. A small fraction of the patents ever see the light of day, much less in the console that is released within that 1-2 year time frame. Again, it is in no way an indicator of what will be part of the NX. For all you know these could be patents relating to research into what will succeed the NX. It really does not indicate anything.

As for Nintendo talks and plans, please go ahead and reference the announcement that they will have a unified platform with a single game being plauable on multiple form factors. Ohh right! There is none! For all you know the successors to the Wii U and 3DS will be two completely seperate devices that have completely different games as Nintendo has done in the past, but the hardware's architecture is more similar making it slightly easier to make games for both separate platforms, and OS of both is designed in such a way to make it easier to do cross-platform multiplayer. There. That would be both more unified and integrated, and would do next to nothing to make any meaningful improvements to Nintendo's situation, and my scenario is equally as likely as anything you dream up. You're blatantly guessing at this point.

Again, only difrence is that those patents are basicly what Nintendo talked about new consoles and platforms.

 

Well you certainly are not familiar with Nintendo plans:

"Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

"A dedicated video game platform with a brand new concept" by taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country."

"I can assure you we’re not building the next version of Wii or Wii U. It’s something unique and different. It’s something where we have to move away from those platforms in order to make it something that will appeal to our consumer base.”

Also Nintendo recently merged their hardware and software divisions and teams.

 

All that and NIntendo patents, indicate that they are going for unified platform that will be running same game across different devices, and that is largley accepted opinion about what NX is. Of Course, you can think different.


Care to explain to me how if Nintendo's next home and handheld consoles

a) share a similar architecture making porting games from one console to the other easier
b) shares a similar operating system that makes inter-console multiplayer easier to implement
c) are marketed as differerent platforms, with different games in different packaging.


That all the statements you listed above by Nintendo will not be technically true? Nintendo is giving you an inch and you're assuming a mile.

And again look at the patents of previous consoles. Just look at the patents Nintendo put out two years before the Wii U. I bet you'd be shocked how many of them have absolutely nothing to do with what the Wii U became even if they looked like really cool features that the Wii U totally should feature based on the things Nintendo said about it leading up to its announcement. Ohh well. That's irrelevant I guess.



potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
 

This Nintendo recent patents are basically what Nintendo talks about new consoles and platforms. Of Course, that doesnt mean that those patents will be 100% be part of NX, but I say that are good chance.

Those Nintendo NX talks and plans directly address some problems and mistakes they made with Wii U and they had in previous generations too. For instance they admit they can't any longer support two completely different platform like they done it till this gen, that leads to software droughts and weak support, and that's one of main reasons for their plan for unifed or integrated platform.

Sony made same mistakes with PS3, but with PS4 they basically corrected all those mistakes.


Nintendo's recent patents in no way indicate what will or will not be part of the NX. Look at the patents Sony made a year or so before the announcement of PS1, PS2 and PS3. Look at the patents MS made a year or two before the Xbox, Xbox 360 or Xbox One. Same goes for the same time period before any console release. A small fraction of the patents ever see the light of day, much less in the console that is released within that 1-2 year time frame. Again, it is in no way an indicator of what will be part of the NX. For all you know these could be patents relating to research into what will succeed the NX. It really does not indicate anything.

As for Nintendo talks and plans, please go ahead and reference the announcement that they will have a unified platform with a single game being plauable on multiple form factors. Ohh right! There is none! For all you know the successors to the Wii U and 3DS will be two completely seperate devices that have completely different games as Nintendo has done in the past, but the hardware's architecture is more similar making it slightly easier to make games for both separate platforms, and OS of both is designed in such a way to make it easier to do cross-platform multiplayer. There. That would be both more unified and integrated, and would do next to nothing to make any meaningful improvements to Nintendo's situation, and my scenario is equally as likely as anything you dream up. You're blatantly guessing at this point.

Again, only difrence is that those patents are basicly what Nintendo talked about new consoles and platforms.

 

Well you certainly are not familiar with Nintendo plans:

"Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

"A dedicated video game platform with a brand new concept" by taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country."

"I can assure you we’re not building the next version of Wii or Wii U. It’s something unique and different. It’s something where we have to move away from those platforms in order to make it something that will appeal to our consumer base.”

Also Nintendo recently merged their hardware and software divisions and teams.

 

All that and NIntendo patents, indicate that they are going for unified platform that will be running same game across different devices, and that is largley accepted opinion about what NX is. Of Course, you can think different.


Care to explain to me how if Nintendo's next home and handheld consoles

a) share a similar architecture making porting games from one console to the other easier
b) shares a similar operating system that makes inter-console multiplayer easier to implement
c) are marketed as differerent platforms, with different games in different packaging.


That all the statements you listed above by Nintendo will not be technically true? Nintendo is giving you an inch and you're assuming a mile.

And again look at the patents of previous consoles. Just look at the patents Nintendo put out two years before the Wii U. I bet you'd be shocked how many of them have absolutely nothing to do with what the Wii U became even if they looked like really cool features that the Wii U totally should feature based on the things Nintendo said about it leading up to its announcement. Ohh well. That's irrelevant I guess.

I really don't understand what you trying to say, but:

a) Yes, NX home and handheld will have same or very similar architecture. Not just because porting, I think they will develop one game in same time for handheld and home console.

b) Not similar, same OS for NX console and handheld, same like multiply different devices are having iOS or Apple OS and same like they sharing same apps and games.

c) No, it will not be marketed like different platforms, it will probably be marketing like one platform with different devices that have different capabilities but that are playing same games.

My assumings are based on things Nintendo gave us or based on rumorus about NX.

Again, huge difference from previous Nintendo patents before Wii U, is that this patents are basically what Nintendo talked about new consoles and platforms.



potato_hamster said:
Meelow said:
I agree, the reasons they are holding everything back is to make sure 2016 is truly a great year for Nintendo, yes we had a bad E3 2015, and no announcements at TGA. However this may mean E3 2016 might be on par with E3 2006 and E3 2010.

Imagine next E3 with...

- NX
- Zelda WiiU/NX
- Super Mario NX
- Retro's title
- New IP's
- Hopefully actual third party support

Nintendo has a chance to make E3 2016 truly amazing and I hope they make it happen.

Bolded for hilariousness. If the rumors are true, development on the NX will be more expensive and time consuming than any other platform in console history by forcing developers to develop for multiple hardware specs at once. If true, the Wii U's third party support will make the NX jealous. There's no reason for third parties to take a greater financial risk on a platform whose predecessor sold absymally. Aside from that have no reason to think their games will be any more profitable than they were on the Wii or Wii U (seriously, take a good look at how many third party games made any real profit on either of those platforms) Nintendo has already announced its once again primarily focused on catering to its dwindling fanbase, which means little to no chance at this console appealing to new fans. You can absolutely forget this console becoming a fad like the Wii. Why are Nintendo diehards so convinved the NX will be astoundingly successful?

Expect an expensive console, that is expensive to develop for, with little third party support. Nintendo fans will buy one or both specs like they did with the Wii U and 3DS, except Nitnendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need. Will it be a huge hit amonst Nintendo fans? Undoubtedly. Will it do more to bring Nintendo back into the mainstream of gaming? All indicators are pointing to "no". All told, if the NX is split amongst two specs, you can expect the platform as a whole to do 20-30% than the 3DS/Wii U combined. Considering the reach of such a platform, that would be a monumental failure.

Either way, the writing is on the wall. If the NX doesn't have the success Nintendo is banking on, I have no doubt that Nintendo will exit the home console space. With mobile gaming taking larger and larger chunks out of Nitnendo's handheld market, you can expect if the NX portable doesn't sell as well as the 3DS, it may be Nintendo's last foray into that space as well. It's not looking good for Nintendo, not at all.

This has to be one of the biggest misconception when it comes to multiple spec software design. If you understand how level of detail works in gaming, these different levels of texture resolutions and lower-higher poly models are already in the games design and on disc. This is what helps these consoles to be able to run big open world games like the Witcher 3 at decent framerates. So all Nintendo needs to work on is an OS that talks to the hardware connected seamlessly as it operates the software it's running in real-time.

This is probably the biggest task Nintendo has ever had to deal with so far. By making an expansive OS that is simple, powerful and forward thinking for generations to come since NX will be the start of a continuous ecosystem. Hopefully they just partner with someone that specializes in OS development, but this idea that developers need to make all of these different versions just isn't true and isn't going to make the games on the NX suddenly skyrocket. The PC already does this very well and games aren't more expensive to develop in that environment. My guess is that the NX will be very OS driven and will probably take up a major portion of RAM on the console and handheld. So hopefully Nintendo goes above and beyond with the amounts and  type of RAM they include in the systems design.

It's weird to me seeing people paint this as something near to impossible for Nintendo to achieve when PC has been doing it forever. You guys have to think about something for a minute, if Nintendo’s next handheld is anywhere close to the WiiU in power (after seeing games like Zelda U and Xenoblade Chronicles X), imagine what could be achieved on a 5" screen. The scaling of software won't be nearly as hard as many think because the handheld won't have as big of screen to render to and games would look pretty close to their console counter parts.



Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
 

This Nintendo recent patents are basically what Nintendo talks about new consoles and platforms. Of Course, that doesnt mean that those patents will be 100% be part of NX, but I say that are good chance.

Those Nintendo NX talks and plans directly address some problems and mistakes they made with Wii U and they had in previous generations too. For instance they admit they can't any longer support two completely different platform like they done it till this gen, that leads to software droughts and weak support, and that's one of main reasons for their plan for unifed or integrated platform.

Sony made same mistakes with PS3, but with PS4 they basically corrected all those mistakes.


Nintendo's recent patents in no way indicate what will or will not be part of the NX. Look at the patents Sony made a year or so before the announcement of PS1, PS2 and PS3. Look at the patents MS made a year or two before the Xbox, Xbox 360 or Xbox One. Same goes for the same time period before any console release. A small fraction of the patents ever see the light of day, much less in the console that is released within that 1-2 year time frame. Again, it is in no way an indicator of what will be part of the NX. For all you know these could be patents relating to research into what will succeed the NX. It really does not indicate anything.

As for Nintendo talks and plans, please go ahead and reference the announcement that they will have a unified platform with a single game being plauable on multiple form factors. Ohh right! There is none! For all you know the successors to the Wii U and 3DS will be two completely seperate devices that have completely different games as Nintendo has done in the past, but the hardware's architecture is more similar making it slightly easier to make games for both separate platforms, and OS of both is designed in such a way to make it easier to do cross-platform multiplayer. There. That would be both more unified and integrated, and would do next to nothing to make any meaningful improvements to Nintendo's situation, and my scenario is equally as likely as anything you dream up. You're blatantly guessing at this point.

Again, only difrence is that those patents are basicly what Nintendo talked about new consoles and platforms.

 

Well you certainly are not familiar with Nintendo plans:

"Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

"A dedicated video game platform with a brand new concept" by taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country."

"I can assure you we’re not building the next version of Wii or Wii U. It’s something unique and different. It’s something where we have to move away from those platforms in order to make it something that will appeal to our consumer base.”

Also Nintendo recently merged their hardware and software divisions and teams.

 

All that and NIntendo patents, indicate that they are going for unified platform that will be running same game across different devices, and that is largley accepted opinion about what NX is. Of Course, you can think different.


Care to explain to me how if Nintendo's next home and handheld consoles

a) share a similar architecture making porting games from one console to the other easier
b) shares a similar operating system that makes inter-console multiplayer easier to implement
c) are marketed as differerent platforms, with different games in different packaging.


That all the statements you listed above by Nintendo will not be technically true? Nintendo is giving you an inch and you're assuming a mile.

And again look at the patents of previous consoles. Just look at the patents Nintendo put out two years before the Wii U. I bet you'd be shocked how many of them have absolutely nothing to do with what the Wii U became even if they looked like really cool features that the Wii U totally should feature based on the things Nintendo said about it leading up to its announcement. Ohh well. That's irrelevant I guess.

I really don't understand what you trying to say, but:

a) Yes, NX home and handheld will have same or very similar architecture. Not just because porting, I think they will develop one game in same time for handheld and home console.

b) Not similar, same OS for NX console and handheld, same like multiply different devices are having iOS or Apple OS and same like they sharing same apps and games.

c) No, it will not be marketed like different platforms, it will probably be marketing like one platform with different devices that have different capabilities but that are playing same games.

My assumings are based on things Nintendo gave us or based on rumorus about NX.

Again, huge difference from previous Nintendo patents before Wii U, is that this patents are basically what Nintendo talked about new consoles and platforms.

Ohh really? So all iPad games are on the iPhone and vice versa? Ohh right. No they're not. Developers actually have to put extra, significant amounts of work in to make their game compatible on both the iPad and iPhone. So there's that. The NX could emulate the iOS marketplace almost exactly and they could still have seperate games for seperate devices in seperate packages and not be compatible with one another. It happens on iOS devices all the time.

Here's the thing you keep failing to understand. You quite literally do not know what the NX will be. You do not. You have a couple vague sentences from marketers and you're twisting that into an extact vision of what the platform is and how it will operate. You do not know that. You have absolutely no idea, and yet here you are confident you know exactly what it will be. You acting like patents are an indicator of the direction a company is heading, and it's totally different from the WIi U and NX in terms of how their patents relate to real-world products when you literally have zero tangible evidence of what the NX will be. The patents Nitendo has made of late could be less relevant to the NX as the patents Nintendo made in the year or two before the Wii U was released and you have absolutely no way to prove that argument is correct at this time.

You have no idea what the NX will be. There is no reason for you to be as confident as you are. None.



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Ck1x said:
potato_hamster said:
Meelow said:
I agree, the reasons they are holding everything back is to make sure 2016 is truly a great year for Nintendo, yes we had a bad E3 2015, and no announcements at TGA. However this may mean E3 2016 might be on par with E3 2006 and E3 2010.

Imagine next E3 with...

- NX
- Zelda WiiU/NX
- Super Mario NX
- Retro's title
- New IP's
- Hopefully actual third party support

Nintendo has a chance to make E3 2016 truly amazing and I hope they make it happen.

Bolded for hilariousness. If the rumors are true, development on the NX will be more expensive and time consuming than any other platform in console history by forcing developers to develop for multiple hardware specs at once. If true, the Wii U's third party support will make the NX jealous. There's no reason for third parties to take a greater financial risk on a platform whose predecessor sold absymally. Aside from that have no reason to think their games will be any more profitable than they were on the Wii or Wii U (seriously, take a good look at how many third party games made any real profit on either of those platforms) Nintendo has already announced its once again primarily focused on catering to its dwindling fanbase, which means little to no chance at this console appealing to new fans. You can absolutely forget this console becoming a fad like the Wii. Why are Nintendo diehards so convinved the NX will be astoundingly successful?

Expect an expensive console, that is expensive to develop for, with little third party support. Nintendo fans will buy one or both specs like they did with the Wii U and 3DS, except Nitnendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need. Will it be a huge hit amonst Nintendo fans? Undoubtedly. Will it do more to bring Nintendo back into the mainstream of gaming? All indicators are pointing to "no". All told, if the NX is split amongst two specs, you can expect the platform as a whole to do 20-30% than the 3DS/Wii U combined. Considering the reach of such a platform, that would be a monumental failure.

Either way, the writing is on the wall. If the NX doesn't have the success Nintendo is banking on, I have no doubt that Nintendo will exit the home console space. With mobile gaming taking larger and larger chunks out of Nitnendo's handheld market, you can expect if the NX portable doesn't sell as well as the 3DS, it may be Nintendo's last foray into that space as well. It's not looking good for Nintendo, not at all.

This has to be one of the biggest misconception when it comes to multiple spec software design. If you understand how level of detail works in gaming, these different levels of texture resolutions and lower-higher poly models are already in the games design and on disc. This is what helps these consoles to be able to run big open world games like the Witcher 3 at decent framerates. So all Nintendo needs to work on is an OS that talks to the hardware connected seamlessly as it operates the software it's running in real-time.

This is probably the biggest task Nintendo has ever had to deal with so far. By making an expansive OS that is simple, powerful and forward thinking for generations to come since NX will be the start of a continuous ecosystem. Hopefully they just partner with someone that specializes in OS development, but this idea that developers need to make all of these different versions just isn't true and isn't going to make the games on the NX suddenly skyrocket. The PC already does this very well and games aren't more expensive to develop in that environment. My guess is that the NX will be very OS driven and will probably take up a major portion of RAM on the console and handheld. So hopefully Nintendo goes above and beyond with the amounts and  type of RAM they include in the systems design.

It's weird to me seeing people paint this as something near to impossible for Nintendo to achieve when PC has been doing it forever. You guys have to think about something for a minute, if Nintendo’s next handheld is anywhere close to the WiiU in power (after seeing games like Zelda U and Xenoblade Chronicles X), imagine what could be achieved on a 5" screen. The scaling of software won't be nearly as hard as many think because the handheld won't have as big of screen to render to and games would look pretty close to their console counter parts.


I've made video games on  Consoles, PCs, Handhelds, and phones for over a decade. Console video game development is an entirely different beast than PC game development. The biggest difference being optimization. PC games have a layer between the hardware and the game engine that handles things like giving instructions to whatever graphics card, processor, RAM etc. you have. It allows developers to develop for a multitude of different hardware specifications, but in doing so, you sacrifice performance and control. Because of this, and because of only a single sepcification that can be optimized for, developers can get far more out of a console than they can get out of a similarly spec'd PC. If NIntendo chooses to go in this direction, you can expect performance marginally better than what the Wii U offers from something about as powerful as an Xbox One. How do you think consumers would respond to such a product? Probably not well.

Not only that but Nintendo is one of the worst in the business at developing tools to facilitate ease of development. They are miles behind the likes of Sony and Microsoft. I have absolutely zero confidence in Nintendo being able to pull something like this off and actually getting third parties on board.



Slade6alpha said:
I pretty much think the opposite. I expect a pretty mediocre to nothing year except if they unveil NX. If they do, it might be salvageable.

I expect the same kinds of droughts, disappointments, blunders, etc.


Pokken Tournaament  and Pokemon Zygarde game will cover you! If I remember right, you're a huge  pokemon fan! :P



potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
 

This Nintendo recent patents are basically what Nintendo talks about new consoles and platforms. Of Course, that doesnt mean that those patents will be 100% be part of NX, but I say that are good chance.

Those Nintendo NX talks and plans directly address some problems and mistakes they made with Wii U and they had in previous generations too. For instance they admit they can't any longer support two completely different platform like they done it till this gen, that leads to software droughts and weak support, and that's one of main reasons for their plan for unifed or integrated platform.

Sony made same mistakes with PS3, but with PS4 they basically corrected all those mistakes.


Nintendo's recent patents in no way indicate what will or will not be part of the NX. Look at the patents Sony made a year or so before the announcement of PS1, PS2 and PS3. Look at the patents MS made a year or two before the Xbox, Xbox 360 or Xbox One. Same goes for the same time period before any console release. A small fraction of the patents ever see the light of day, much less in the console that is released within that 1-2 year time frame. Again, it is in no way an indicator of what will be part of the NX. For all you know these could be patents relating to research into what will succeed the NX. It really does not indicate anything.

As for Nintendo talks and plans, please go ahead and reference the announcement that they will have a unified platform with a single game being plauable on multiple form factors. Ohh right! There is none! For all you know the successors to the Wii U and 3DS will be two completely seperate devices that have completely different games as Nintendo has done in the past, but the hardware's architecture is more similar making it slightly easier to make games for both separate platforms, and OS of both is designed in such a way to make it easier to do cross-platform multiplayer. There. That would be both more unified and integrated, and would do next to nothing to make any meaningful improvements to Nintendo's situation, and my scenario is equally as likely as anything you dream up. You're blatantly guessing at this point.

Again, only difrence is that those patents are basicly what Nintendo talked about new consoles and platforms.

 

Well you certainly are not familiar with Nintendo plans:

"Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

"A dedicated video game platform with a brand new concept" by taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country."

"I can assure you we’re not building the next version of Wii or Wii U. It’s something unique and different. It’s something where we have to move away from those platforms in order to make it something that will appeal to our consumer base.”

Also Nintendo recently merged their hardware and software divisions and teams.

 

All that and NIntendo patents, indicate that they are going for unified platform that will be running same game across different devices, and that is largley accepted opinion about what NX is. Of Course, you can think different.


Care to explain to me how if Nintendo's next home and handheld consoles

a) share a similar architecture making porting games from one console to the other easier
b) shares a similar operating system that makes inter-console multiplayer easier to implement
c) are marketed as differerent platforms, with different games in different packaging.


That all the statements you listed above by Nintendo will not be technically true? Nintendo is giving you an inch and you're assuming a mile.

And again look at the patents of previous consoles. Just look at the patents Nintendo put out two years before the Wii U. I bet you'd be shocked how many of them have absolutely nothing to do with what the Wii U became even if they looked like really cool features that the Wii U totally should feature based on the things Nintendo said about it leading up to its announcement. Ohh well. That's irrelevant I guess.

I really don't understand what you trying to say, but:

a) Yes, NX home and handheld will have same or very similar architecture. Not just because porting, I think they will develop one game in same time for handheld and home console.

b) Not similar, same OS for NX console and handheld, same like multiply different devices are having iOS or Apple OS and same like they sharing same apps and games.

c) No, it will not be marketed like different platforms, it will probably be marketing like one platform with different devices that have different capabilities but that are playing same games.

My assumings are based on things Nintendo gave us or based on rumorus about NX.

Again, huge difference from previous Nintendo patents before Wii U, is that this patents are basically what Nintendo talked about new consoles and platforms.

Ohh really? So all iPad games are on the iPhone and vice versa? Ohh right. No they're not. Developers actually have to put extra, significant amounts of work in to make their game compatible on both the iPad and iPhone. So there's that. The NX could emulate the iOS marketplace almost exactly and they could still have seperate games for seperate devices in seperate packages and not be compatible with one another. It happens on iOS devices all the time.

Here's the thing you keep failing to understand. You quite literally do not know what the NX will be. You do not. You have a couple vague sentences from marketers and you're twisting that into an extact vision of what the platform is and how it will operate. You do not know that. You have absolutely no idea, and yet here you are confident you know exactly what it will be. You acting like patents are an indicator of the direction a company is heading, and it's totally different from the WIi U and NX in terms of how their patents relate to real-world products when you literally have zero tangible evidence of what the NX will be. The patents Nitendo has made of late could be less relevant to the NX as the patents Nintendo made in the year or two before the Wii U was released and you have absolutely no way to prove that argument is correct at this time.

You have no idea what the NX will be. There is no reason for you to be as confident as you are. None.

Yes, 90% of same games and apps are working on iPad and on iPhone. Devolpers need to put extra work to make game compabitible with iPad and iPhone, but that extra work is much smaller than devolping for intance same game for iPhone and Samsung Android tablet, that are having different OS and and architecture, and that's a whole point.

Again, I know what Nintendo said they planing and I know Nintendo patents that are basically same thing Nintendo already mentioned and I know about rumours, so my thinking is based on those informations. Of Course nothing is certain until the Nintendo revil NX, but I think there are good chances that NX will be what I think it will be.

So yes, I have very clear idea what NX will be, and believe me, I am not only one with that same idea.



Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:


Care to explain to me how if Nintendo's next home and handheld consoles

a) share a similar architecture making porting games from one console to the other easier
b) shares a similar operating system that makes inter-console multiplayer easier to implement
c) are marketed as differerent platforms, with different games in different packaging.


That all the statements you listed above by Nintendo will not be technically true? Nintendo is giving you an inch and you're assuming a mile.

And again look at the patents of previous consoles. Just look at the patents Nintendo put out two years before the Wii U. I bet you'd be shocked how many of them have absolutely nothing to do with what the Wii U became even if they looked like really cool features that the Wii U totally should feature based on the things Nintendo said about it leading up to its announcement. Ohh well. That's irrelevant I guess.

I really don't understand what you trying to say, but:

a) Yes, NX home and handheld will have same or very similar architecture. Not just because porting, I think they will develop one game in same time for handheld and home console.

b) Not similar, same OS for NX console and handheld, same like multiply different devices are having iOS or Apple OS and same like they sharing same apps and games.

c) No, it will not be marketed like different platforms, it will probably be marketing like one platform with different devices that have different capabilities but that are playing same games.

My assumings are based on things Nintendo gave us or based on rumorus about NX.

Again, huge difference from previous Nintendo patents before Wii U, is that this patents are basically what Nintendo talked about new consoles and platforms.

Ohh really? So all iPad games are on the iPhone and vice versa? Ohh right. No they're not. Developers actually have to put extra, significant amounts of work in to make their game compatible on both the iPad and iPhone. So there's that. The NX could emulate the iOS marketplace almost exactly and they could still have seperate games for seperate devices in seperate packages and not be compatible with one another. It happens on iOS devices all the time.

Here's the thing you keep failing to understand. You quite literally do not know what the NX will be. You do not. You have a couple vague sentences from marketers and you're twisting that into an extact vision of what the platform is and how it will operate. You do not know that. You have absolutely no idea, and yet here you are confident you know exactly what it will be. You acting like patents are an indicator of the direction a company is heading, and it's totally different from the WIi U and NX in terms of how their patents relate to real-world products when you literally have zero tangible evidence of what the NX will be. The patents Nitendo has made of late could be less relevant to the NX as the patents Nintendo made in the year or two before the Wii U was released and you have absolutely no way to prove that argument is correct at this time.

You have no idea what the NX will be. There is no reason for you to be as confident as you are. None.

Yes, 90% of same games and apps are working on iPad and on iPhone. Devolpers need to put extra work to make game compabitible with iPad and iPhone, but that extra work is much smaller than devolping for intance same game for iPhone and Samsung Android tablet, that are having different OS and and architecture, and that's a whole point.

Again, I know what Nintendo said they planing and I know Nintendo patents that are basically same thing Nintendo already mentioned and I know about rumours, so my thinking is based on those informations. Of Course nothing is certain until the Nintendo revil NX, but I think there are good chances that NX will be what I think it will be.

So yes, I have very clear idea what NX will be, and believe me, I am not only one with that same idea.

I'd bet you'd be pretty shocked how many games for the iPad aren't available on the iPhone. it's a lot less than 90% of whats made for iPad. There are entire companies that make software and apps exclusively for iPad and other tablets because they don't think they can offer the same experience on as small screen real estate as the iPhone. Developers do need to put in extra work to make one work well on the other and it is not trivial. While it is easier to port games from iPhone to iPad than it is to port games from iPhone to Android it is not significantly easier. And that's my point entirely. The iPad and iPhone have two similar but distinctly seperate software market places. Apple has never and would never put out anything that says you can play all your iPad games on your iPhone, like you're saying Nintendo will do. iPad games are iPad games. iPhone games are iPhone games. The two are not cross-compatible. The two are very similar, but not the same.

So going forward, let's assume the architecture is remarkably similar (it probably will be). Let's say it's 50% easier to port a NX home game to NX portable and vice versa than it was to port a Wii U game to the 3DS (and that's probably being generous-  but let's say that's what Nintendo meant when they talked about addressing software droughts). Those are two completely different cames for two different devices that are not compatible with another. They would have to have distinct packaging in stores. Games for both would be sold side-by-side as similar but seperate games. It would not be one game for two platforms unless Nintendo both mandates that third party developers must put in the extra work to support both, sell both games under one package (similar to Sony's cross-buy service they did with PS3 and PSV games). However what Nintendo would be doing is essentially telling developers that they have to put in more work for less potential profit (A million seller on the NX vs a million seller on the PS4 would cost more to make and it would make the third parties less money they they would if users were forced to buy two copies for two Nintendo platforms). That's a hard sell for third parties, because frankly it would be a lot easier for them to just churn out games for the PS4 and X1 which will more than likely have an established user base of 70+ million before the NX comes out. Why bother spending more effort on a console that has zero indication it will sell very well, whenWithout third parties, the NX is doomed before it even gets off the ground.

Again, you think you knoiw what Nintendo is planning, and you think the patents are related. You do not know that, and you've admitted as much. So maybe you should stop acting as if your assumptions are factual and stop saying things like "Nintendo will", and start saying things like "I believe Nintendo will". It is 100% irrelevant if more than one of you people are taking what Nitnendo has said and totally blown it out of proportion to elevate anything Nintendo says, as a defintive "this is what Nintendo's next console will be" or some other nonsense. It tends to be a common trend among you and people of similar interests on this site.




potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
 


Care to explain to me how if Nintendo's next home and handheld consoles

a) share a similar architecture making porting games from one console to the other easier
b) shares a similar operating system that makes inter-console multiplayer easier to implement
c) are marketed as differerent platforms, with different games in different packaging.


That all the statements you listed above by Nintendo will not be technically true? Nintendo is giving you an inch and you're assuming a mile.

And again look at the patents of previous consoles. Just look at the patents Nintendo put out two years before the Wii U. I bet you'd be shocked how many of them have absolutely nothing to do with what the Wii U became even if they looked like really cool features that the Wii U totally should feature based on the things Nintendo said about it leading up to its announcement. Ohh well. That's irrelevant I guess.

I really don't understand what you trying to say, but:

a) Yes, NX home and handheld will have same or very similar architecture. Not just because porting, I think they will develop one game in same time for handheld and home console.

b) Not similar, same OS for NX console and handheld, same like multiply different devices are having iOS or Apple OS and same like they sharing same apps and games.

c) No, it will not be marketed like different platforms, it will probably be marketing like one platform with different devices that have different capabilities but that are playing same games.

My assumings are based on things Nintendo gave us or based on rumorus about NX.

Again, huge difference from previous Nintendo patents before Wii U, is that this patents are basically what Nintendo talked about new consoles and platforms.

Ohh really? So all iPad games are on the iPhone and vice versa? Ohh right. No they're not. Developers actually have to put extra, significant amounts of work in to make their game compatible on both the iPad and iPhone. So there's that. The NX could emulate the iOS marketplace almost exactly and they could still have seperate games for seperate devices in seperate packages and not be compatible with one another. It happens on iOS devices all the time.

Here's the thing you keep failing to understand. You quite literally do not know what the NX will be. You do not. You have a couple vague sentences from marketers and you're twisting that into an extact vision of what the platform is and how it will operate. You do not know that. You have absolutely no idea, and yet here you are confident you know exactly what it will be. You acting like patents are an indicator of the direction a company is heading, and it's totally different from the WIi U and NX in terms of how their patents relate to real-world products when you literally have zero tangible evidence of what the NX will be. The patents Nitendo has made of late could be less relevant to the NX as the patents Nintendo made in the year or two before the Wii U was released and you have absolutely no way to prove that argument is correct at this time.

You have no idea what the NX will be. There is no reason for you to be as confident as you are. None.

Yes, 90% of same games and apps are working on iPad and on iPhone. Devolpers need to put extra work to make game compabitible with iPad and iPhone, but that extra work is much smaller than devolping for intance same game for iPhone and Samsung Android tablet, that are having different OS and and architecture, and that's a whole point.

Again, I know what Nintendo said they planing and I know Nintendo patents that are basically same thing Nintendo already mentioned and I know about rumours, so my thinking is based on those informations. Of Course nothing is certain until the Nintendo revil NX, but I think there are good chances that NX will be what I think it will be.

So yes, I have very clear idea what NX will be, and believe me, I am not only one with that same idea.

I'd bet you'd be pretty shocked how many games for the iPad aren't available on the iPhone. it's a lot less than 90% of whats made for iPad. There are entire companies that make software and apps exclusively for iPad and other tablets because they don't think they can offer the same experience on as small screen real estate as the iPhone. Developers do need to put in extra work to make one work well on the other and it is not trivial. While it is easier to port games from iPhone to iPad than it is to port games from iPhone to Android it is not significantly easier. And that's my point entirely. The iPad and iPhone have two similar but distinctly seperate software market places. Apple has never and would never put out anything that says you can play all your iPad games on your iPhone, like you're saying Nintendo will do. iPad games are iPad games. iPhone games are iPhone games. The two are not cross-compatible. The two are very similar, but not the same.

So going forward, let's assume the architecture is remarkably similar (it probably will be). Let's say it's 50% easier to port a NX home game to NX portable and vice versa than it was to port a Wii U game to the 3DS (and that's probably being generous-  but let's say that's what Nintendo meant when they talked about addressing software droughts). Those are two completely different cames for two different devices that are not compatible with another. They would have to have distinct packaging in stores. Games for both would be sold side-by-side as similar but seperate games. It would not be one game for two platforms unless Nintendo both mandates that third party developers must put in the extra work to support both, sell both games under one package (similar to Sony's cross-buy service they did with PS3 and PSV games). However what Nintendo would be doing is essentially telling developers that they have to put in more work for less potential profit (A million seller on the NX vs a million seller on the PS4 would cost more to make and it would make the third parties less money they they would if users were forced to buy two copies for two Nintendo platforms). That's a hard sell for third parties, because frankly it would be a lot easier for them to just churn out games for the PS4 and X1 which will more than likely have an established user base of 70+ million before the NX comes out. Why bother spending more effort on a console that has zero indication it will sell very well, whenWithout third parties, the NX is doomed before it even gets off the ground.

Again, you think you knoiw what Nintendo is planning, and you think the patents are related. You do not know that, and you've admitted as much. So maybe you should stop acting as if your assumptions are factual and stop saying things like "Nintendo will", and start saying things like "I believe Nintendo will". It is 100% irrelevant if more than one of you people are taking what Nitnendo has said and totally blown it out of proportion to elevate anything Nintendo says, as a defintive "this is what Nintendo's next console will be" or some other nonsense. It tends to be a common trend among you and people of similar interests on this site.



No I wouldn't be shocked at all, huge majority of same games and apps can be used on iPhone and iPad or an Android phone and Android tablet. You said itself that is a easier, and that's my point. For Nintendo (and for 3rd party) for instance will be much easier to make one Mario Kart that will work on NX home and NX handheld, than make basicly difrent Mario Kart games for 3DS and seperate Mario Kart for Wii U like they were doing this gen and all previous generations.

Again, yes, I think I know what Nintendo is planning and that some of patents are related with those plans, but you cant know if I am wrong or not, so maybe you need stop saying that I don't know anything because you can't prove that I am wrong.