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Qwark said:
Miyamotoo said:
Qwark said:
Random_Matt said:
shenlong213 said:


I can count 6 big titles coming to wii u in 2016 atm

And because Kamishima said "he acknowledges the Wii U’s problems, but says the company intends to keep making software for the console", so more game will be reveal in next Nintendo Direct, I think 


Better hope so, 6 in twelve months, no wonder the system is in trouble. 

 

Especially if one of those is Starfox zero, which is everything but a big title 

Its not on scale of Zelda U, but definitely is big tittle.

It's a medium release at best, but perhaps my intepretation of a big title is different from yours. I don't count Ratchet and Clank as a big release either. Doesn't mean it can't be a good title but to me not every physical 60 bugs release is a big release, for instance I loved Until Dawn, but it wasn't big. The big exclusive releases I count next year are Zelda U, Gears 4, Horizon, Uncharted, Street fighter 5 and Quantum Break

Well if you count like that, every console have only few big releases.



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Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Meelow said:
I agree, the reasons they are holding everything back is to make sure 2016 is truly a great year for Nintendo, yes we had a bad E3 2015, and no announcements at TGA. However this may mean E3 2016 might be on par with E3 2006 and E3 2010.

Imagine next E3 with...

- NX
- Zelda WiiU/NX
- Super Mario NX
- Retro's title
- New IP's
- Hopefully actual third party support

Nintendo has a chance to make E3 2016 truly amazing and I hope they make it happen.

Bolded for hilariousness. If the rumors are true, development on the NX will be more expensive and time consuming than any other platform in console history by forcing developers to develop for multiple hardware specs at once. If true, the Wii U's third party support will make the NX jealous. There's no reason for third parties to take a greater financial risk on a platform whose predecessor sold absymally. Aside from that have no reason to think their games will be any more profitable than they were on the Wii or Wii U (seriously, take a good look at how many third party games made any real profit on either of those platforms) Nintendo has already announced its once again primarily focused on catering to its dwindling fanbase, which means little to no chance at this console appealing to new fans. You can absolutely forget this console becoming a fad like the Wii. Why are Nintendo diehards so convinved the NX will be astoundingly successful?

Expect an expensive console, that is expensive to develop for, with little third party support. Nintendo fans will buy one or both specs like they did with the Wii U and 3DS, except Nitnendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need. Will it be a huge hit amonst Nintendo fans? Undoubtedly. Will it do more to bring Nintendo back into the mainstream of gaming? All indicators are pointing to "no". All told, if the NX is split amongst two specs, you can expect the platform as a whole to do 20-30% than the 3DS/Wii U combined. Considering the reach of such a platform, that would be a monumental failure.

Either way, the writing is on the wall. If the NX doesn't have the success Nintendo is banking on, I have no doubt that Nintendo will exit the home console space. With mobile gaming taking larger and larger chunks out of Nitnendo's handheld market, you can expect if the NX portable doesn't sell as well as the 3DS, it may be Nintendo's last foray into that space as well. It's not looking good for Nintendo, not at all.

-Well developers in same time will be develop game for two devices in same time. We already saw Square Enix announced Dragon Quest games for NX, you can expect Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch...so Japanese publishers will certainly be on NX, and thats already more than Wii U has.

-I dont expecting expensive console, expecting $250-300 for home console and $150-200 for handheld, and third party will certainly will be stronger than its on Wii U.

"Nintendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need". How many 3DS owners have Wii!? Not many, so how exatly Nintendo will cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library one on platform? Actually it's reverse, Nintendo will have bigger instal base for every their game than like before releasing games for just one device, and they will have much bigger offer of games on platform than before when they had separate offer for each device, also that means no more droughts and gaps between game releases. And If Nintendo plays good with whole idea, more people will buy bought devices than they buyed 3DS and Wii U.

I think it almost certain that NX will perform much better than Wii U, and Nintendo is making money even this gen with failure like Wii U is. So I cant see the abandoning hardware market even NX dont perform like they hope.


Really? Wii U doesn't have Japanese third party publishers already? Monster Hunter is already out on Wii U, so is Dragon Quest X. Not quite sure how your beleif a 3DS exclusive making its way to the NX home is somehow indicative of "more third party support".

As for the price, the prices you're mentioning are going to, at the very least be just as expensive as the PS4 and X1. That is a hard sell. Also, at $299, that would be the same price as the Wii U when it released. We all know how that flew off the shelves. Why would this console be any different?

How many 3DS owners have a Wii U? More than 3DS owners that have a PS4 or X1, I'd bet. Most Die hard Nintendo fans I know have both consoles (and some have multiple copies of 3DSs). In fact I don't know a single Wii U owner that doesn't own a 3DS. The fact of the matter is that all of those people that bought both just to play Nintendo's library suddenly no longer need to buy both. They can just buy one. That is in fact cannibalizing their sales. I'd counter the rest of your paragraph, but (and I don't mean to insult) I literally don't know what you're trying to say. Could you please try again?

While the NX will should perform better than the Wii U (it's pretty difficult to perform as poorly as the Wii U has), It would be a surprise if the NX platform as a whole sold more than the Wii U and 3DS. Sure Nintendo is making money, but to be honest, it's not making as much money off of video game consoles and video game sales as it once did. It's making money off of things like Amiibo, which don't seem to lead to increased console and video game sales.



potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Meelow said:
I agree, the reasons they are holding everything back is to make sure 2016 is truly a great year for Nintendo, yes we had a bad E3 2015, and no announcements at TGA. However this may mean E3 2016 might be on par with E3 2006 and E3 2010.

Imagine next E3 with...

- NX
- Zelda WiiU/NX
- Super Mario NX
- Retro's title
- New IP's
- Hopefully actual third party support

Nintendo has a chance to make E3 2016 truly amazing and I hope they make it happen.

Bolded for hilariousness. If the rumors are true, development on the NX will be more expensive and time consuming than any other platform in console history by forcing developers to develop for multiple hardware specs at once. If true, the Wii U's third party support will make the NX jealous. There's no reason for third parties to take a greater financial risk on a platform whose predecessor sold absymally. Aside from that have no reason to think their games will be any more profitable than they were on the Wii or Wii U (seriously, take a good look at how many third party games made any real profit on either of those platforms) Nintendo has already announced its once again primarily focused on catering to its dwindling fanbase, which means little to no chance at this console appealing to new fans. You can absolutely forget this console becoming a fad like the Wii. Why are Nintendo diehards so convinved the NX will be astoundingly successful?

Expect an expensive console, that is expensive to develop for, with little third party support. Nintendo fans will buy one or both specs like they did with the Wii U and 3DS, except Nitnendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need. Will it be a huge hit amonst Nintendo fans? Undoubtedly. Will it do more to bring Nintendo back into the mainstream of gaming? All indicators are pointing to "no". All told, if the NX is split amongst two specs, you can expect the platform as a whole to do 20-30% than the 3DS/Wii U combined. Considering the reach of such a platform, that would be a monumental failure.

Either way, the writing is on the wall. If the NX doesn't have the success Nintendo is banking on, I have no doubt that Nintendo will exit the home console space. With mobile gaming taking larger and larger chunks out of Nitnendo's handheld market, you can expect if the NX portable doesn't sell as well as the 3DS, it may be Nintendo's last foray into that space as well. It's not looking good for Nintendo, not at all.

-Well developers in same time will be develop game for two devices in same time. We already saw Square Enix announced Dragon Quest games for NX, you can expect Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch...so Japanese publishers will certainly be on NX, and thats already more than Wii U has.

-I dont expecting expensive console, expecting $250-300 for home console and $150-200 for handheld, and third party will certainly will be stronger than its on Wii U.

"Nintendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need". How many 3DS owners have Wii!? Not many, so how exatly Nintendo will cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library one on platform? Actually it's reverse, Nintendo will have bigger instal base for every their game than like before releasing games for just one device, and they will have much bigger offer of games on platform than before when they had separate offer for each device, also that means no more droughts and gaps between game releases. And If Nintendo plays good with whole idea, more people will buy bought devices than they buyed 3DS and Wii U.

I think it almost certain that NX will perform much better than Wii U, and Nintendo is making money even this gen with failure like Wii U is. So I cant see the abandoning hardware market even NX dont perform like they hope.


Really? Wii U doesn't have Japanese third party publishers already? Monster Hunter is already out on Wii U, so is Dragon Quest X. Not quite sure how your beleif a 3DS exclusive making its way to the NX home is somehow indicative of "more third party support".

As for the price, the prices you're mentioning are going to, at the very least be just as expensive as the PS4 and X1. That is a hard sell. Also, at $299, that would be the same price as the Wii U when it released. We all know how that flew off the shelves. Why would this console be any different?

How many 3DS owners have a Wii U? More than 3DS owners that have a PS4 or X1, I'd bet. Most Die hard Nintendo fans I know have both consoles (and some have multiple copies of 3DSs). In fact I don't know a single Wii U owner that doesn't own a 3DS. The fact of the matter is that all of those people that bought both just to play Nintendo's library suddenly no longer need to buy both. They can just buy one. That is in fact cannibalizing their sales. I'd counter the rest of your paragraph, but (and I don't mean to insult) I literally don't know what you're trying to say. Could you please try again?

While the NX will should perform better than the Wii U (it's pretty difficult to perform as poorly as the Wii U has), It would be a surprise if the NX platform as a whole sold more than the Wii U and 3DS. Sure Nintendo is making money, but to be honest, it's not making as much money off of video game consoles and video game sales as it once did. It's making money off of things like Amiibo, which don't seem to lead to increased console and video game sales.

We got only Monster Hunter Wii HD port, how many MH games were released for 3DS? Dragon Quest for Wii U only in Japan. That's exactly what I am talking, NX will have better 3rd party support than Wii U had.

Wii U launch with price $299-349, for NX I mentione price $249-299. Why would NX would be difrent!? Because Wii U was file in every possible way, start from unveiling, name, marketing, price, whole launch and launch games...and Nintendo will certanly not repeat those mistakes with NX (at least majority of those mistakes).

Answer is little, we have around 55m 3DS owners and around 10m owners, so theoretically ever 5. owner could be owner of Wii U, but that's just theoretically, actually number is much more lower. I dont have 3DS, but if NX really have great integration of home console and handheld, I would buy both devices, and clearly I am not alone. Also its not same experience, on NX handheld you will have small screen to play game outside house, but on home console you can play on TV with reach graphics, and certainly they will be some other benefits for having both devices. I think more people will have both devices than they had 3DS and Wii U.

In worst case I expecting that NX perform similar like 3DS/WiiU performed together. Offcourse Nintendo cant expect sales and profit like in Wii/DS era, but they can still make good money from consoles and games with those sales, and now they will have Amiibos, mobile games, theamed parks...for extra revenue.



Still think it would be a poor decision for Nintendo release NX in 2016. Releasing it in EARLY 2017, sure. But they need to build up a steady release of games for it. If they have a nice launch, but then nothing after for months, like Wii U had, it's going to be disaster all over again. So how bout they NOT do that.



potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Meelow said:
I agree, the reasons they are holding everything back is to make sure 2016 is truly a great year for Nintendo, yes we had a bad E3 2015, and no announcements at TGA. However this may mean E3 2016 might be on par with E3 2006 and E3 2010.

Imagine next E3 with...

- NX
- Zelda WiiU/NX
- Super Mario NX
- Retro's title
- New IP's
- Hopefully actual third party support

Nintendo has a chance to make E3 2016 truly amazing and I hope they make it happen.

Bolded for hilariousness. If the rumors are true, development on the NX will be more expensive and time consuming than any other platform in console history by forcing developers to develop for multiple hardware specs at once. If true, the Wii U's third party support will make the NX jealous. There's no reason for third parties to take a greater financial risk on a platform whose predecessor sold absymally. Aside from that have no reason to think their games will be any more profitable than they were on the Wii or Wii U (seriously, take a good look at how many third party games made any real profit on either of those platforms) Nintendo has already announced its once again primarily focused on catering to its dwindling fanbase, which means little to no chance at this console appealing to new fans. You can absolutely forget this console becoming a fad like the Wii. Why are Nintendo diehards so convinved the NX will be astoundingly successful?

Expect an expensive console, that is expensive to develop for, with little third party support. Nintendo fans will buy one or both specs like they did with the Wii U and 3DS, except Nitnendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need. Will it be a huge hit amonst Nintendo fans? Undoubtedly. Will it do more to bring Nintendo back into the mainstream of gaming? All indicators are pointing to "no". All told, if the NX is split amongst two specs, you can expect the platform as a whole to do 20-30% than the 3DS/Wii U combined. Considering the reach of such a platform, that would be a monumental failure.

Either way, the writing is on the wall. If the NX doesn't have the success Nintendo is banking on, I have no doubt that Nintendo will exit the home console space. With mobile gaming taking larger and larger chunks out of Nitnendo's handheld market, you can expect if the NX portable doesn't sell as well as the 3DS, it may be Nintendo's last foray into that space as well. It's not looking good for Nintendo, not at all.

-Well developers in same time will be develop game for two devices in same time. We already saw Square Enix announced Dragon Quest games for NX, you can expect Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch...so Japanese publishers will certainly be on NX, and thats already more than Wii U has.

-I dont expecting expensive console, expecting $250-300 for home console and $150-200 for handheld, and third party will certainly will be stronger than its on Wii U.

"Nintendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need". How many 3DS owners have Wii!? Not many, so how exatly Nintendo will cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library one on platform? Actually it's reverse, Nintendo will have bigger instal base for every their game than like before releasing games for just one device, and they will have much bigger offer of games on platform than before when they had separate offer for each device, also that means no more droughts and gaps between game releases. And If Nintendo plays good with whole idea, more people will buy bought devices than they buyed 3DS and Wii U.

I think it almost certain that NX will perform much better than Wii U, and Nintendo is making money even this gen with failure like Wii U is. So I cant see the abandoning hardware market even NX dont perform like they hope.


Really? Wii U doesn't have Japanese third party publishers already? Monster Hunter is already out on Wii U, so is Dragon Quest X. Not quite sure how your beleif a 3DS exclusive making its way to the NX home is somehow indicative of "more third party support".

As for the price, the prices you're mentioning are going to, at the very least be just as expensive as the PS4 and X1. That is a hard sell. Also, at $299, that would be the same price as the Wii U when it released. We all know how that flew off the shelves. Why would this console be any different?

How many 3DS owners have a Wii U? More than 3DS owners that have a PS4 or X1, I'd bet. Most Die hard Nintendo fans I know have both consoles (and some have multiple copies of 3DSs). In fact I don't know a single Wii U owner that doesn't own a 3DS. The fact of the matter is that all of those people that bought both just to play Nintendo's library suddenly no longer need to buy both. They can just buy one. That is in fact cannibalizing their sales. I'd counter the rest of your paragraph, but (and I don't mean to insult) I literally don't know what you're trying to say. Could you please try again?

While the NX will should perform better than the Wii U (it's pretty difficult to perform as poorly as the Wii U has), It would be a surprise if the NX platform as a whole sold more than the Wii U and 3DS. Sure Nintendo is making money, but to be honest, it's not making as much money off of video game consoles and video game sales as it once did. It's making money off of things like Amiibo, which don't seem to lead to increased console and video game sales.

Yes, Wii U got a port of a port as far as Monster Hunter goes (originally released on Wii in 2009 & 3DS in 2011 before coming to Wii U in 2012) and an MMO for Dragon Quest. Not really comparable to what the other poster is proposing.

So end of life sales for 3DS will be something like 65 million & Wii U something like 15 million for a total of 80 million, even if NX doesn't match or exceed that and has a somewhat moderate drop to 70 million or so total for NX, that gives much greater potential for their games to sell big numbers on.

Splatoon is a successful new IP from Nintendo that is on track to sell over 3 million on Wii U alone, how much would a sequel sell on the combined install base of their next handheld & console? Assuming it does sell something like 70 million between both than a Splatoon sequel selling something like 8-10 million could certainly happen. Same goes for a game like Super Mario Maker easily 10-15 million sales. Same with Tropical Freeze, the 3 DKC games averaged 6 million, DK64 sold close to 6 million, DKC Returns sold 6 million yet Tropical Freeze is at around 1 million because it doesn't have the install base to sell to.

Then there is the fact that Nintendo can potentially diversify by not needing to release so many redundant titles, no need for 2 separate Mario Kart games as they can release one, supply it with DLC and work on a new IP or revive older racing games by Nintendo like F-Zero or Wave Race.

As for 3rd parties, ya it probably won't share all the same big western mulitplats that PS4/XB1 have but between Japanese support, child/family western support and indie support, it will have a pretty solid number of 3rd party releases which will always be supplemental titles on a Nintendo device.

Like I have said many times in the past, Nintendo doesn't care about competing head on with others, they want their own self-contained ecosystem where Nintendo and their partners can be profitable.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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DevilRising said:
Still think it would be a poor decision for Nintendo release NX in 2016. Releasing it in EARLY 2017, sure. But they need to build up a steady release of games for it. If they have a nice launch, but then nothing after for months, like Wii U had, it's going to be disaster all over again. So how bout they NOT do that.

Software will not be a problem I don't think by end of '16.  There's been too much silence from some of the main Ninty studios you know they are cooking .

The only reason 2016 is bad IMO is not having 14nm tech ready in time, which would help Nintendo and their power/efficiency standards. (near double, aka 60w machine performs like current 120w etc). So  If you want a small machine that kicks ass, like gamecube, then Nintendo can do it with new 14nm chipsets.  But with the current tech, the NX (home version) won't look much different from XB1 or PS4 in terms of size which has not beein Nintendo's style the last 3 gens.   if Ninty stays with current 28nm tech, while strict with their power draw standards, we will see a machine weaker than XB1, unfortunately.



DevilRising said:
Still think it would be a poor decision for Nintendo release NX in 2016. Releasing it in EARLY 2017, sure. But they need to build up a steady release of games for it. If they have a nice launch, but then nothing after for months, like Wii U had, it's going to be disaster all over again. So how bout they NOT do that.


Why is a difference of a few months such a big deal? It would be stupid to launch in November/December 2016 but acceptable to launch in March 2017? That doesn't really make any sense.

I know I have gone over this with u before, based on Nintendo's internal development cycles, most of their teams are set to release games between late 2016-2018. So either actually address the points I've brought up or stop repeating the same shit.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Miyamotoo said:

-Launch of biggest and probably most anticipated Nintendo game ever, Zelda U.

 


No... just... no. There's no way this is their most anticipated game ever lol 

 

But yeah, 2016 is a huge year for them. If not just because it's a launch year. I hope it's a console and not a handheld.



Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Meelow said:
I agree, the reasons they are holding everything back is to make sure 2016 is truly a great year for Nintendo, yes we had a bad E3 2015, and no announcements at TGA. However this may mean E3 2016 might be on par with E3 2006 and E3 2010.

Imagine next E3 with...

- NX
- Zelda WiiU/NX
- Super Mario NX
- Retro's title
- New IP's
- Hopefully actual third party support

Nintendo has a chance to make E3 2016 truly amazing and I hope they make it happen.

Bolded for hilariousness. If the rumors are true, development on the NX will be more expensive and time consuming than any other platform in console history by forcing developers to develop for multiple hardware specs at once. If true, the Wii U's third party support will make the NX jealous. There's no reason for third parties to take a greater financial risk on a platform whose predecessor sold absymally. Aside from that have no reason to think their games will be any more profitable than they were on the Wii or Wii U (seriously, take a good look at how many third party games made any real profit on either of those platforms) Nintendo has already announced its once again primarily focused on catering to its dwindling fanbase, which means little to no chance at this console appealing to new fans. You can absolutely forget this console becoming a fad like the Wii. Why are Nintendo diehards so convinved the NX will be astoundingly successful?

Expect an expensive console, that is expensive to develop for, with little third party support. Nintendo fans will buy one or both specs like they did with the Wii U and 3DS, except Nitnendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need. Will it be a huge hit amonst Nintendo fans? Undoubtedly. Will it do more to bring Nintendo back into the mainstream of gaming? All indicators are pointing to "no". All told, if the NX is split amongst two specs, you can expect the platform as a whole to do 20-30% than the 3DS/Wii U combined. Considering the reach of such a platform, that would be a monumental failure.

Either way, the writing is on the wall. If the NX doesn't have the success Nintendo is banking on, I have no doubt that Nintendo will exit the home console space. With mobile gaming taking larger and larger chunks out of Nitnendo's handheld market, you can expect if the NX portable doesn't sell as well as the 3DS, it may be Nintendo's last foray into that space as well. It's not looking good for Nintendo, not at all.

-Well developers in same time will be develop game for two devices in same time. We already saw Square Enix announced Dragon Quest games for NX, you can expect Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch...so Japanese publishers will certainly be on NX, and thats already more than Wii U has.

-I dont expecting expensive console, expecting $250-300 for home console and $150-200 for handheld, and third party will certainly will be stronger than its on Wii U.

"Nintendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need". How many 3DS owners have Wii!? Not many, so how exatly Nintendo will cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library one on platform? Actually it's reverse, Nintendo will have bigger instal base for every their game than like before releasing games for just one device, and they will have much bigger offer of games on platform than before when they had separate offer for each device, also that means no more droughts and gaps between game releases. And If Nintendo plays good with whole idea, more people will buy bought devices than they buyed 3DS and Wii U.

I think it almost certain that NX will perform much better than Wii U, and Nintendo is making money even this gen with failure like Wii U is. So I cant see the abandoning hardware market even NX dont perform like they hope.


Really? Wii U doesn't have Japanese third party publishers already? Monster Hunter is already out on Wii U, so is Dragon Quest X. Not quite sure how your beleif a 3DS exclusive making its way to the NX home is somehow indicative of "more third party support".

As for the price, the prices you're mentioning are going to, at the very least be just as expensive as the PS4 and X1. That is a hard sell. Also, at $299, that would be the same price as the Wii U when it released. We all know how that flew off the shelves. Why would this console be any different?

How many 3DS owners have a Wii U? More than 3DS owners that have a PS4 or X1, I'd bet. Most Die hard Nintendo fans I know have both consoles (and some have multiple copies of 3DSs). In fact I don't know a single Wii U owner that doesn't own a 3DS. The fact of the matter is that all of those people that bought both just to play Nintendo's library suddenly no longer need to buy both. They can just buy one. That is in fact cannibalizing their sales. I'd counter the rest of your paragraph, but (and I don't mean to insult) I literally don't know what you're trying to say. Could you please try again?

While the NX will should perform better than the Wii U (it's pretty difficult to perform as poorly as the Wii U has), It would be a surprise if the NX platform as a whole sold more than the Wii U and 3DS. Sure Nintendo is making money, but to be honest, it's not making as much money off of video game consoles and video game sales as it once did. It's making money off of things like Amiibo, which don't seem to lead to increased console and video game sales.

We got only Monster Hunter Wii HD port, how many MH games were released for 3DS? Dragon Quest for Wii U only in Japan. That's exactly what I am talking, NX will have better 3rd party support than Wii U had.

Wii U launch with price $299-349, for NX I mentione price $249-299. Why would NX would be difrent!? Because Wii U was file in every possible way, start from unveiling, name, marketing, price, whole launch and launch games...and Nintendo will certanly not repeat those mistakes with NX (at least majority of those mistakes).

Answer is little, we have around 55m 3DS owners and around 10m owners, so theoretically ever 5. owner could be owner of Wii U, but that's just theoretically, actually number is much more lower. I dont have 3DS, but if NX really have great integration of home console and handheld, I would buy both devices, and clearly I am not alone. Also its not same experience, on NX handheld you will have small screen to play game outside house, but on home console you can play on TV with reach graphics, and certainly they will be some other benefits for having both devices. I think more people will have both devices than they had 3DS and Wii U.

In worst case I expecting that NX perform similar like 3DS/WiiU performed together. Offcourse Nintendo cant expect sales and profit like in Wii/DS era, but they can still make good money from consoles and games with those sales, and now they will have Amiibos, mobile games, theamed parks...for extra revenue.

So bascially you're saying if all 3DS series come to NX home, the NX will have better third party support? Is that your thought process?

There stands a good chance that the PS4 and X1 could be $249 by the time the NX comes around. What then? You're going to be hard pressed to find an average video game buyer that sees a Nintendo console at $50 less than a PS4 as "better value" or "worth the money". The Wii U certain didn't sell any better when it was $100 cheaper than the PS4. What makes you think the NX is going to fare better? What makes you think Nintendo won't repeat those mistakes? You seem pretty confident in a company that, with the exception of the Wii, has lost more and more and more grip on their presence in the home console market.

So by your logic, and let me make sure we're clear - if people were unwilling to buy both a 3DS and a Wii U when they had different games, they will be more willing to buy both an NX home and an NX portable to play the same games. Is that correct? Do you have any evidence to support that offering games across multiple platforms has led to increased sales amongst all of those platforms? Are people more likely to buy an iPhone if they have an iMac? Some of those applications for Mac automatically give you free access to the mobile equivalent. Do you have any evidence to support this claim? Because from what I see, if someone really loves Mario, Zelda and Smash Bros, and just buys a 3DS to play pokemon, and Pokemon is suddenly available for the NX home, why would they bother picking up a NX portable, if they didn't really care about playing their games on the go to begin with?



zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:


Really? Wii U doesn't have Japanese third party publishers already? Monster Hunter is already out on Wii U, so is Dragon Quest X. Not quite sure how your beleif a 3DS exclusive making its way to the NX home is somehow indicative of "more third party support".

As for the price, the prices you're mentioning are going to, at the very least be just as expensive as the PS4 and X1. That is a hard sell. Also, at $299, that would be the same price as the Wii U when it released. We all know how that flew off the shelves. Why would this console be any different?

How many 3DS owners have a Wii U? More than 3DS owners that have a PS4 or X1, I'd bet. Most Die hard Nintendo fans I know have both consoles (and some have multiple copies of 3DSs). In fact I don't know a single Wii U owner that doesn't own a 3DS. The fact of the matter is that all of those people that bought both just to play Nintendo's library suddenly no longer need to buy both. They can just buy one. That is in fact cannibalizing their sales. I'd counter the rest of your paragraph, but (and I don't mean to insult) I literally don't know what you're trying to say. Could you please try again?

While the NX will should perform better than the Wii U (it's pretty difficult to perform as poorly as the Wii U has), It would be a surprise if the NX platform as a whole sold more than the Wii U and 3DS. Sure Nintendo is making money, but to be honest, it's not making as much money off of video game consoles and video game sales as it once did. It's making money off of things like Amiibo, which don't seem to lead to increased console and video game sales.

Yes, Wii U got a port of a port as far as Monster Hunter goes (originally released on Wii in 2009 & 3DS in 2011 before coming to Wii U in 2012) and an MMO for Dragon Quest. Not really comparable to what the other poster is proposing.

So end of life sales for 3DS will be something like 65 million & Wii U something like 15 million for a total of 80 million, even if NX doesn't match or exceed that and has a somewhat moderate drop to 70 million or so total for NX, that gives much greater potential for their games to sell big numbers on.

Splatoon is a successful new IP from Nintendo that is on track to sell over 3 million on Wii U alone, how much would a sequel sell on the combined install base of their next handheld & console? Assuming it does sell something like 70 million between both than a Splatoon sequel selling something like 8-10 million could certainly happen. Same goes for a game like Super Mario Maker easily 10-15 million sales. Same with Tropical Freeze, the 3 DKC games averaged 6 million, DK64 sold close to 6 million, DKC Returns sold 6 million yet Tropical Freeze is at around 1 million because it doesn't have the install base to sell to.

Then there is the fact that Nintendo can potentially diversify by not needing to release so many redundant titles, no need for 2 separate Mario Kart games as they can release one, supply it with DLC and work on a new IP or revive older racing games by Nintendo like F-Zero or Wave Race.

As for 3rd parties, ya it probably won't share all the same big western mulitplats that PS4/XB1 have but between Japanese support, child/family western support and indie support, it will have a pretty solid number of 3rd party releases which will always be supplemental titles on a Nintendo device.

Like I have said many times in the past, Nintendo doesn't care about competing head on with others, they want their own self-contained ecosystem where Nintendo and their partners can be profitable.

The problem, and one people like you continue to ignore, is that that ecosystem is shrinking every day and they're doing absolutely nothing to try to expand it.  If Nintendo is only selling 70 million home console and handhelds combined over one "generation" then that's not great. Many people consider the PS3 to be a failure and it's sold close to 85 million, and that's just one console, not 2. The fact of the matter is that Nintendo has on much larger numbers than 70 million combined lifetime for it to be "worth it to them". I mean the Gameboy Advance did 80 + million and that was only the lead handheld platform for three years. Now we're talking about Nintendo's total hardware sales being 15% less than that and that being acceptable.