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Honestly, I don't really think there is Nintendo bashing outside of the internet. Before I joined this group, gaming was fine, where it didn't matter what console you owned, but what cool games and fun times you could have with it. I played Ninten, I had friends who played Sony and Xbox, and we all got along great... cept for the few debates between me and my friend who played on Sony... but it was great!

The bashing Ninten gets sometimes is warranted, as they do some pretty stupid stuff that needs to be called out on.



 

              

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Here's the deal. Nintendo STILL makes the best games in the industry. There is no question there as far as I'm concerned. But the thing is, time has past them by. Actually, time past them up during the Genesis era. Sega of America managed to change gaming and push it into a more mature area and away from kids. Sony then took that to a whole other level and then Microsoft innovated the online arena. Every single change, every single shift, Nintendo for the most part stood still. They stood by, arms crossed, defiantly standing their ground... insisting that people would understand in time. They thought they could let progress happen without joining it.

They were wrong.

Progress stops for nobody. Their games are brilliant, but tastes are ever evolving. Mario hasn't been the "it" game since the 80's... or to be acurate... 1990 (SMB3). Most die hard Nintendo fans are in their 20's and 30's now... even 40's. Kids don't (and by saying this, I'm talking majority here) care about Nintendo anymore. Steve is now the new Mario for them.

If Nintendo wants to get back to where they were, even during the N64 years, they're going to have to offer 50/50 software. Half of it can be those amazingly magical games of theirs, and half of it has to be something like 007. They need to be known as a company that offers mature, adult themes and great indie stuff like No Man's Sky. They have to EVOLVE with the rest of the population and change. If they don't, they will slowly fade away.



noname2200 said:

midrange said:

Their constant cease and desist letters to fan made projects

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An hd remake of mario 64 using unity was given a cease and desist letter. It is possible the project m mod for super smash bros brawl was told to stop (they were notably phasing it from official gaming tournaments). They sent a cease and desist letter to a kickstarter fan film for metroid. They sent many cease and desist letters to youtube gameplay videos. These are just off of the top of my mind.

In most of these cases (like the mario 64 remake or project m), these are just fans operating, without profit, on something they are passionate about. And suddenly their work gets shut down in minutes by Nintendo.



As Nintendo has always strived to be different and exude their very Japanese roots into their games, the majority of the industry tries to paint them as the red headed step child sitting in the corner. Now Nintendo isn't painting themselves as the victim, this comes from the community side of things. But Nintendo just wants to be Nintendo and make Nintendo like games, it's no different than a musician who is a country artist at heart, but the record label thinks that they should leave behind what they love to do and just make pop music because it's the mainstream thing. 

This is the only industry where people seem to not let other things coexist with the very things that they love. Fans of Sci-fi aren't tearing down indie films at everyturn, they would probably just choose not to watch those films.



Volterra_90 said:
Well, I always thought that people who surround me thinks it's cooler playing a +18 games, with violence and more mature themes than playing with an italian plumber to save the princess in the magical Mushroom Kingdom XDD.

I don't know about the general opinion, actually, I'm just stating what I know about my personal life. For example, my parents can't believe I'm still playing Mario games as they're for kids. 90% of my friends only play sports and shooter games. They don't even want to try playing a Nintendo game because "they're for babies.". I love them, but they're always laughing at me because of that. And I'd add to this that kids want to grown up so fast. My cousins are already playing CoD with 10 years. And I found that very disturbing.

Don't take this as a general statement, because it's impossible to know what are the causes of this. But in my personal experience, these things happen.

I wish I had a friend like you. Sounds like my gaming life as well. Everyone I meet is like, hey, wanna play COD? Madden? Just once would I like someone to go "Wanna hang out tonight and play some Super Metroid?" lol



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bunchanumbers said:
noname2200 said:
A scapegoat is something you pin all your sins on and then cast away so you can feel better about yourself. I don't think that accurately describes what happens. Perhaps you mean that kid in elementary school who doesn't really make much effort to fit in, so all the insecure children pick on him/her?


Actually I'm thinking really a scapegoat. There are gamers who bash on Nintendo to justify their own gaming. 'Yeah I play Fifa and CoD but I play hardcore adult mature games with mature adult stories and mature adult gore and graffics. I'm not some kiddy Nintendo cartoon game manchild.' Those guys actually really are pinning their sin, which is loving gaming, which in the eyes of greater society is still met with stigma and pinning it on Nintendo.

The opposite also happens with self-proclaimed "hardcore gamers," undermining the claim that this behavior is unique to non-Nintendo fans.



chapset said:

One day us gamers will get rid of Nintendo and their followers, now that they are uniting their console with their handheld it's the perfect time to strike. In the past the handheld part of Nintendo saved their asses more often then not but this time mouhahahahahaha it won't. If you are with me add '' conspiracy'' in your posts. Don't worry I'm using a special algorithm that won't let Nintendian see the contant of this post. CONSPIRACY AWAY!!!!

This is the dumbest thing I've evconspiracyer read.



there is a bizarre amount of hate for Nintendo online and fingers seem to be constantly pointed out them

 

I suppose it might be due to how long Nintendo has been around and how revelant they have remained in the gaming industry that they have developed a massive hate group who like to freak out about anything related to them

again, most likely just due to envy too Nintendo being extremely revelant since the dawn of the video game world



This isn't the situation where the dork who has a few friends is getting picked by the cool kid and his loads of friends. Nintendo or it's fans are not victims so please stop trying to play that role. Nintendo has made its bed all by itself and now it's sleeping in it.

Playstation consoles (and xbox consoles) are favored by more people because it's games appeal to more people. It's that damn simple. Nintendo makes games that appeal to roughly only a 3rd or a quarter of gamers and once in a blue moon to casuals. It has jack shit to do with being "cool". Nintendo chose to make it's consoles and games the way they do. It wasn't the choice of sony or microsoft. Again, nintendo has made its bed and now it sleeps in it.



midrange said:


An hd remake of mario 64 using unity was given a cease and desist letter. It is possible the project m mod for super smash bros brawl was told to stop (they were notably phasing it from official gaming tournaments). They sent a cease and desist letter to a kickstarter fan film for metroid. They sent many cease and desist letters to youtube gameplay videos. These are just off of the top of my mind.

In most of these cases (like the mario 64 remake or project m), these are just fans operating, without profit, on something they are passionate about. And suddenly their work gets shut down in minutes by Nintendo.

Those aren't many examples for a company with dozens of IP's that's been operating for decades, though. They generally seem to  let most of the fan stuff through unmolested though: Project M is actually a good counterexample, seeing as how it's been around for almost half a decade and was clearly not C & D'd.

The internet is also chock full of ROM hacks for Mario, Fire Emblem, Metroid, and just about every other popular Nintendo IP; they don't seem to bother shutting those down. Fan art and projects largely appear to be fair game too: I'm thinking of stuff like There Will Be Brawl and Brawl In The Family, which to my knowledge were left mostly if not entirely unmolested. Even translated ROMs of games that never got localized are left untouched: Earthbound Zero and Mother 3 jump immediately to mind, though there are plenty of others.

Even most of the examples you cite are perfectly understandable: Mario 64 HD is a straight remake of one of their marquee titles, and you'll find few companies who let someone make a full movie for one of their IPs without their permission.* I can promise you that Sony would not look favorably on fans making a full scope Uncharted movie, and Microsoft will not allow Halo to proceed sans Microsoft. Your citation of Metroid is actually largely a counterexample, seeing as how that Chobot short is still up. The only part I do agree with is the Youtube program: that does seem petty and unnecessary, but I wouldn't point to it as something that negates what is largely a permissive attitude towards fan projects.

Overall, for all its faults there really isn't much evidence that Nintendo polices its IP's all that vigorously, Youtube being the bizzare exception. They mostly seem to let things slide (and as of a year ago have officially granted permission to fan projects to use their IPs), and when they do send a C & D they largely seem to be warranted in doing so. I just can't agree that this in particular is one of their faults.

 

*Especially when Nintendo itself has been trying to make a feature film for Metroid for over a decade now.