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Will sales fall off a clif in the coming years?

Yes 391 49.56%
 
No 264 33.46%
 
Potato 134 16.98%
 
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PS4 will be close to 40 million by Jan. Yet some ppl are predicting they'll only sell 60 million total lifetime? Ps4 will be close to 60 million by Jan 2017. So does that mean ps5 will out by then?

Last year's ps experience Sony was around 12-13 million sold and now a year later nearly 20 million later at 32 million after BF sales.

XB1 is basically wiiu at this point with halo already out, it's sales will gradually decline or remain flat the rest of the gen.

With no real competition, Sony will easily ride to 100 million or more. Microsoft will probably top off around the 35-38 million ish range.



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Not in US,

Almost in UK,

Falling off a cliff in Europe and ROW,

Already drowned into deep ocean in Japan



         

Xbox one will be around for at least the next 4 years. It is still on course to sell 50 million units.



The strength of the XBone in the USA is enough to ensure that the console has a bright future and a decent amount of multiplats will come for it..... However the PS4 outsells it every week and it stands to reason that eventually there will be some games that aren't ported onto it, especially games that appeal to the Japanese market.
I know they were only just released but the current sales figures for Halo 5 and Rise of the Tomb Raider would be enough to give Phil Spencer nightmares.
If PS4 attains a massive chunk of market share devs may make games especially for the spec of PS4 and XBone may get some crappy ports that highlight the deficiency of the system and that would spell trouble for Microsoft. Also, don't underestimate the curveball that is NX.



the_dark_lewd said:
Titanfall didn't do as well as they'd expected?

It's sold about 5 million. Pretty good for a new IP really.

Breh... MS needed those almost 4 million Xbone owners to buy 24 million copies for that game to be considered a success here.



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tripenfall said:
The strength of the XBone in the USA is enough to ensure that the console has a bright future and a decent amount of multiplats will come for it..... However the PS4 outsells it every week and it stands to reason that eventually there will be some games that aren't ported onto it, especially games that appeal to the Japanese market.
I know they were only just released but the current sales figures for Halo 5 and Rise of the Tomb Raider would be enough to give Phil Spencer nightmares.
If PS4 attains a massive chunk of market share devs may make games especially for the spec of PS4 and XBone may get some crappy ports that highlight the deficiency of the system and that would spell trouble for Microsoft. Also, don't underestimate the curveball that is NX.

The PS4 already sees loads of Japanese games that developers don't bother to port to Xbox One because they know they won't sell. And I don't think it has anything to do with PS4 having a larger userbase, I think it's just the demographic of that userbase. The PS3 and 360 were virtually neck and neck in userbase and the PS3 still saw loads of Japanese games the 360 did not see.

I can't see your typical 3rd party publisher ever ignoring the Xbone or giving it a shit port because that's still a big chunk of sales that is only going to get bigger as the userbase grows.



TheObserver said:
hiccupthehuman said:
TheObserver said:
Obviously. It will start happening next year, with Sony coming out with the latest entries in their biggest franchises like Uncharted 4, and Gran Turismo. Then they have some interesting looking new IPs from their first party studios like Horizon, The Last Guardian, Dreams. On top of that there's some other medium sized exclusives like Hotshot's Golf, Rachet and Clank, Gravity Rush 2, etc.

That's not counting all the 3rd party exclusives, Street Fighter V will make sure every fighting game fan gets a PS4, and JRPG fans don't have a choice either.

Also some truly exceptional looking "indies" like No Man's Sky, WiLD, The Tomorrow Children, Rime.

XB1 on the other hand I believe has reached it's peak this year. Their big exclusives like Halo and Forza have failed to turn the tide, only one left is Gears, and that being passed on to a new unproven developer is likely to make it drop in popularity like Halo.

PS4 literally has every gamer's taste covered as far as I can see, there's no reason to not get one.

with Microsoft coming out with the latest entries in their biggest franchises like Gears of War and Crackdown. Then they have some interesting looking new IPs like ReCore, Quantum Break and Scalebound. On top of that there's some other medium sized exclusives like Sea of Thieves, Halo Wars, Phantom Dust.

Also some truly exceptional looking "indies" like Cuphead, Ashen, Tacoma, Everspace

Horizon: Zero Dawn, and that being passed on to a shaky developer who developed bad games like Shellshock: Nam 67 and so-so games like Killzone and Shadow Fall, is unsure of how that'll turn up.

See what I did there?

I have no interest in a PS4, and there are many other people like me. I am very interested in the One, and have yet to get it.

I think swooping generalizations like these are ridiculous. Sure, the Xbox is never going to catch up the PS4, but it's not going anywhere. Didn't people say that it would die since 2013? But yet it is still having healthy sales and is outpacing the 360, so  ending with a 60-95 millions sales (depending on how long this gen is) is far from bad. The Wii U didn't suddenly implode, it was selling poorly from the start. The PS3 didn't suddenly explode and outsold the 360 in one year, it sold steadily just a little bit more, etc. you get the idea. The trend for One has already been set and the Xbox One will continue to outpace the 360. Systems sales in most cases don't suddenly implode until the end of the generation.  The only third party exclusives or PS4 will be from Japan, and apart from these, all other third party developers will continue developing for the One.

As much as some of you would love the idea of the One falling a cliff, it's not, with some of its most interesting titles coming out next year.

Dude you're buggin'.lol

The games coming from Sony next year are coming from Developers who have consistently delivered critically acclaimed and commercially successful titles.

Uncharted 4- Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2/3 and Last of Us are among most critically acclaimed games of all time, all scoring 90+ on Metacritic.

Gran Turismo- Polyphony Digital, This game is the go to Car Simulator for people who are in that genre, it's always loved by it's fans which number in 10s of millions.

Horizon- Gurrilla Games: Killzone never turned into the Halo Killer it was supposed to be but Killzone 2 and 3 are very well received games, Killzone 2 has a 90 on Metacritic. And they hired people from CD Prject, and Obsidian for this game, including Fallout New Vegas' lead writer.

Dreams- Media Molecule, I personally don't get their games, but LittleBigPlanet 2/3 were among the highest rated games last gen scoring over 90 on metacritic.

The Last Guardian- Team Ico: Both ICO and Shadow of the Colossus have scored over 90 on metacritic and these games are always in the running as the best of all time.

Street Fighter V- It's the premier fighting game franchise, though I prefer Tekken myself.

 

Now in contrast games coming from MS don't have the same talent behind them.

Gears 4- The Coalition: A rookie developer who doesn't have anyting to it's name. And a Studio MS didn't deem capable enough to create their own game, but rather make a sequel to something that's already there. It's another 343i situation so the same result can be expected.

Quantum Break- Remedy: They've made Max Payne and Alan Wake. The most critically well received was the first May Payne and even that couldn't Pass 90, and every game since has gone down in both critical acclaim and sales.

ReCore- This has Kenji Inafune's name on it, but he's been putting his name on a lot of questionable things in the recent years, the best thing to do is stay cautious.

Crackdown: Another unknown developer working on a sequel, but this time the IP is not as good as Gears or Halo, but a rather mediocre one that neither scores well nor sells much.

Scalebound- Platinum Games, This studio is hit or miss, they can deliver a critically acclaimed title or a huge dud. They're also working on Nier 2 for PS4.

Halo Wars- It's another Halo spinoff if the main game didn't do much to save XB1 then a spinoff sure as hell won't make a dent.

Phantom Dust- This game is not happening, the first one sold like crap, there was no reason to reboot this, and seems MS realized that too.

Sea of Thieves- Rare: They haven't made a real game in a while. The've been a shovelware maker for years now. 

 

MS is really lacking in getting good talent to make games, while Sony owns top of the ladder developers. Almost all of whom have delvered highly criticlly acclaimed titles. The games that made PS3 outsell 360 despite launching a year later.

Imagine if XB1 launched a year after PS4, it would never be able to get off the ground. 

All you're doing is wishful speculation, and adressed none of the points I addressed.

I'll make a list too, as I said, it's pretty easy (note that these aren't my personal beliefs and I'm sure those games will be great, but I'm using your fallacious thinking)

Horizon- Gurrilla Games: Killzone never turned into the Halo Killer it was supposed to be but Killzone 2 and 3 are very well received games, Killzone 2 has a 90 on Metacritic. And they hired people from CD Prject, and Obsidian for this game, including Fallout New Vegas' lead writer.

-Yet Shellshock Nam got 52/100, Killzone got 70/100 and ShadowFall 73/100. So the majority of their 5 games they developed are so-so, and they are therefore not a consistent developer. And so what if there is former staff of CD Project And Obsdiain? The biggest bust last year, Sonic Boom, was developed by former Naughty Dog employees. For all you know, those hired people from CD and Obsidian could have been low-level staff or even fired, and so doesn't mean anything on the whole.

Besides,  MS also hires ''talented people'' (BioShock Infinite, Bioware developers). Just because they don't announce it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

The Last Guardian will be in development hell for 9 years now, with the head Ueda and other Team Ico members leaving because they were unsatisfied with the situation. Often, but not always, games who are in development hell for around the 10 year mark lack direction, are unpolished, and ultimately fail to meet the hype that grew through the years (see Too Human, Prey, Duke Nukem Forever, Aliens: Colonial Marines). So cautiousness is needed. If it would have released in 2009 like it was supposed to, the impact would have been huge. Back then, gaming was filled with by-the-humbers shooters, racers, etc. But in 2016? Indies and games that strive to be art forms and other emotionally resonant games have quickly arose in the last few years (Walking Dead, Journey, Bastion, Brothers, etc.), diminishing the essentialness of TLG and the kind ofimpact it had in the early 2000s.

Gran Turismo- Polyphony Digital, This game is the go to Car Simulator for people who are in that genre, it's always loved by it's fans which number in 10s of millions.

-Has decreased in quality over time, and are taking way too long to develop their games. New generations of gamers don't even know what the golden age of GT was. Newer racing titles have slowly filled its place, same thing happened to Halo 5.  Once scoring in the high 90s, now settles in the low 80s. The latest main entry did not sell 10s of millions, it only sold 3.29 millions. And next year's game is not a main entry. And the excuse of ''people didn't buy it cause it was on last-gen console'' doesn't really apply  back in 2013. Call of duty Ghosts on 360 and PS3 vastly outsold the PS4/One version, same with Battlefield 4 and Assassin's Creed Black Flag.

Dreams- Media Molecule, I personally don't get their games, but LittleBigPlanet 2/3 were among the highest rated games last gen scoring over 90 on metacritic.

Eh, nobody really understands what is going on in Dreams. Do you think the mainstream will even know what this one is about?

Uncharted 4 looks really good though

Do you see? It's pretty easy to dismiss any game (As I said, these are not my personal views and I honestly think all of those games will be alright, but I am doing what you're doing, undeservingly dismissing games from developers who work very hard based on flimsy and speculative thoughts just because they happen to be from the manufacturer you don't like and are already biased against) Besides, you never adressed the other points I said. Quality games perspective, that remains to be seen in the future, but again, but from the sales point of view the Xbox One is not gonna die and suddenly sell less than 3 million next year.



Sprash said:
NightDragon83 said:
Sure... just like the PS3 fell off a cliff after its abysmal start last gen and getting trounced in sales by the Wii and 360 early on... oh wait.

The days of a single console dominating a gaming generation are long over. Those wishing for a repeat of the 6th gen where PlayStation gets all the big 3rd party releases all to themselves while Nintendo and M$ are left in the dust to duke it out over scraps for a distant 2nd are in for a rude awakening. Sony might be running away on their home turf in Europe and Japan, but despite the terrible pre-launch PR and $100 higher price point, the sales gap between the X1 and the PS4 in North America is less than a million. As long as the X1 keeps pace with the PS4 in its strongest region, it won't be going near any cliffs anytime soon.

So having a marketshare over 50% isn't dominating?


Outselling your two competitors COMBINED is not dominating.... No matter how you slice it.



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The thing is, it might be quite far behind on sales but if it's got enough consoles on the market and a decent attatch rate, which I think it does then it's still worth releasing games for it. The developers won't turn down profit even if it's only a little bit, it'll just mean it will get all the ports and inferior looking and performing games but tbh honest, the difference is so minimal that the people who try to yap on about 1080p v 900p are simply fanboys or trolls, the difference is not worth headlines or big articles which it currently gets.
So personally I think the xbone has sold and is selling enough for 3rd party games to carry on releasing for it. But I will admit the chances of it getting big exclusives from smaller to medium 3rd party devs could well diminish. But the console will carry on till the end along with ps4.



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drdante said:

Not in US,

Almost in UK,

Falling off a cliff in Europe and ROW,

Already drowned into deep ocean in Japan


Xbox One is actually not dat bad in EU. Compare to the predecessor, it enjoy much bigger growth rate. As for Japan, console market is suffering, even the wii u and ps4.

Oh and i might have underestimated the power of consoles this gen. I bet at the end of this gen. The xb1 will probably around 40 millions and ps4 at 70-80 mill.