just for perspective. the Order:1886 sold 260k in the US alone launch week. TR will have better legs with the holiday and great reviews. But still.

Did I say no? But evil is different. Sony is just showing how much they'll save up time and money and make better progress if they concentrate on their platform than two and split their development cycles.

Sometimes ideas matter depending on circumstances. And those circumstances in Japan don't fit with some platforms. With Sony being the number one current gen console, they couldn't just be made tier two citizens. When you're the minority, you adapt if exclusives are coming to the better selling console. You buy that said console or just upgrade your PC. Taking PS4 userbase for granted because they think they could just sell those late ports to us anyway are in need of a constant dose of reality. Lol  New games are coming. Do you think we're always here for late ports?

no way to treat a lady

sales will be fine on the PS4,square weren't mad enough to go fully exclusive,PS4 is the big dog this gen,massive sales 30m,next year will be sweet

Looking at this, it doesn't seem to be as big of a disaster as I would've thought before. All of the titles above FH2 (barring ROTR of course) have sold 1m+ so far, which adding to the fact that the last Tomb Raider game was fairly leggy on the 360, means that ROTR has a pretty good shot at selling at least 1m on the XBO.

Also, according to VGC, Tomb Raider on the 360 sold about 482k units in its FW. It then went on to sell 1.87m units LT, so its FW consisted of about 25% of its LT numbers. If we apply the same model to ROTR on the XBO, that would mean its LT numbers should be around 920k. Of course this isn't an exact predictor, but it's interesting nonetheless. And maybe it being exclusive for a year will help its legs more, since there isn't a competitor counterpart. Who knows.

But yeah, not great sales. Definitely not a wise move launching on the same day as Fallout 4. Not sure if I'd call it the sales dud of the year though. I have a few other games in mind that could be awarded that prize.

Don't know who you are... but I can say that your comment should end this discussion. The best response I've seen in a very long time. You laid it out, explained it with examples and then backed it up with data and near exact comparisons with the games they were up against. The numbers are more inflated now but as you said it is a One (hehe) console exclusive (for now) and is known to have 2 (likely) superior versions releasing in a years time. These numbers SHOULD have been expected and everything you said backs that up. I think what killed Tomb Raider most in the US is that people know they can wait and get a better version (whether PC or PS4) and they can just pick up Fallout 4 now on whatever system they want. 

While the Tomb Raider numbers are surprisingly low, I don't think it is shockingly low. The Fallout numbers are very impressive, but again, not shockingly high. Add it all up and we have exactly what happened. 

Well, The Order dropped in sales amazingly fast because people actually realized the game was crap. Before there were many people who defended the game and associated it with a typical Sony exclusive, thus being awesome. And it wasn't.

The best we got from this game was this:

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if the hadnt had such crap launches and reveals they would have been giving PS4 a much better fight.

I'm surprised this thread is still going.

We shouldn't hope for any game to fail, that being said the consumer should make a statement through their buying habits. There is no malice, it just released in a month that had to many other games many of us prioritised.

While I think being an Xbox One exclusive hurt; however, the console wars publicity should have helped. I think the timing is what really killed the title, not the console limit. If it was 3 months ago, I would have gotten it day one.

Oh so now it's different? Give me a break bro, you just lost all credability in my book.

If you where honest, you would have said, " I bash anything Xbox and love everything Sony by default, no make up some random nonsense as why you're biased.". However I come to expect this from this site and it's users.

I thought I noted that TR will have better legs. TR is a really good game. The Order is worth a play through (and now at 10 bucks definitly worth it) but TR will have good legs. Add in Holidays it should do OK. BUT no one can argue that it was a bad idea not to put it on PS4. Its a bad idea either way. If MS Paid SE a stupid amount of money it was a bad idea for MS because it really gave them nothing. If MS did not pay SE a stupid amount of money it was bad for them because the sales lost is tremendous.