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Mr Puggsly on 07 November 2015
TheSting said:
A lot of purchases were put on hold after the MCC fiasco. Don't know if they'll return. Word of mouth was very bad and most was well deserved.

I think the people focusing on that are primarily not Halo fans.

Also, it has continued to sell fairly well and many own it via bundling. Perhaps word is getting around that MCC is arguably the best multiplayer game around. Maybe?



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Aura7541 on 07 November 2015
Barozi said:
Aura7541 said:

The problem is that Halo 5 is facing stiff competition from Black Ops 3 and Battlefront, both of which are multiplayer-focused FPS'es. Abdiel has commented that Halo 5 vanished when Black Ops 3 launched (which isn't long after Halo 5's launch) and Battlefront is coming out on the 17th.

Also, Halo 3 took more than 1.7 million preorders before it officially launched, so the game sold 1.7+ million Day 1. That's more than 1.4 - 1.5 million in 5 days. After Halo 4 launched, Microsoft's PR commented on how Halo 4 surpassed Halo 3. It's not unreasonable to assume that Halo 4 also sold a similar amount on Day 1.

First I always said that Halo 3 is unmatched by any other Halo, so this shouldn't come as a surprise. Then I never said that Halo 4 didn't sell more than Halo 5 during the same time. I said that they are much closer in sales than what you tried to make it look like by doing that NPD to WW comparison with completely different time frames etc..

Yet again you make a simple numbers comparison but leave out all the details around it. 1.4m-1.5m doesn't include digital sales and apparently no bundles either, while the MS source does (while keeping in mind that digital sales for all previous Halos were 0 at launch).
Furthermore who says that MS didn't already include HW revenue in the Halo 4 press statement when comparing its revenue to Halo 3? Or how many special editions of Halo 4 were sold compared to Halo 3 and 5 since that changes revenue a lot but not unit sales. There's no way to know.

What I'm saying is, comparing pre-orders of game x to physical sales of game y to revenue of game z is not a good way to try to make a point.

Halo 5 is selling less than the previous few, sure but that's kinda normal for the first entry in a new generation. Doesn't mean it didn't do well, doesn't mean that Halo 6 can't do more, doesn't mean that Halo 5 can't go on and have legs since the console has easily 5+ years left.

However, you don't really have evidence that suggests the sales are much closer than I try to make. Even if we include digital sales on top of the 1.4 - 1.5 million figure, those sales span over 5 days, not in 1 day. In addition, Halo 5 faced stiff competition from Black Ops 3 not long after. As a result, the selling rate is lower. As for your second paragraph, why are you bringing revenue into this when it has not been brought up once in the discussion? Please stick to the topic at hand unless you actually know the exact breakdown of the $400 million MS earned that allows us to figure out the amount of digital sales.

In response to your closing paragraph, do you have a citation that is not VGC numbers that proves that? "Kinda normal" does not cut it. Looking at, let's say, Assassin's Creed, Black Flag sold 10 million copies while Unity sold less than 10 million (the numbers came from Ubisoft, not VGC). That's not really consistent with your conjecture, is it?

You're making it sound like I'm saying Halo 5 didn't do well. I didn't. I merely said that it likely sold less than its predecessors by a not-so-insignificant margin. Nothing more, nothing less.



jlmurph2 on 08 November 2015
Emperorbach said:
jlmurph2 said:
Microsoft also said in their PR statement that Halo 5 was the best selling digital game on Xbox One. So 10-20% does not sound reasonable.


best selling digital game for the week 

which means it was the best selling game in the store for that

which makes perfect sense as halo 5 was the best selling game of the week lol that MR spin is legit


No, you're wrong. It's the highest for an opening week. Which is when most digital sales come. 

This resulted in a spike in digital sales of Halo 5: Guardians, leading to it becoming the best-selling digital game ever in the Xbox Store for an opening week.



jlmurph2 on 08 November 2015
jason1637 said:
Barozi said:
thread has really gone downhill.

People coming in without realising this is US only (and a rumor).

People claiming that UK = ~(Worldwide minus US) for X1 software sales.
CoD AW First Week (US 57.5%; UK 12.9%; Rest 29.6%)
Destiny First Week (US 59.4%; UK 12.7%; Rest 27.9%)
Halo MCC First Week (US 60.3%; UK 11.4%; Rest 28.3%)


People trying to act as if 10%, 20% or 30% digital sales of a game that sold about 2m retail WW (if the rumor is correct) is as insignificant as the same ratio for games that do well below 1m. (hint: even if the ratio is the same, the absolute numbers are quite different).

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If the rumor is correct, Halo 5 should be around 2.1m retail and probably around 2.5m with digital.

Btw. does that 1.4-1.5m even include the bundle?


Going to use this to estimate its sales for halo 5 first 5 days of sales.

Lests say halo 5 has 57% in the us and  13%in the Uk and then 30% in the rest fo the world.

Thats 1.5m retail in the US. and 150k in the uk then thats around 350k in the rest of the world. A total of  of 2m. Now if around 20% of the sales are digital then thats 2.4m in its first 5 days. Now if digital sales are a shigh as 30% then thats 2.6million.

Now if it sold 600k then that would make it the biggest xbox digital download if we go by a source saying 1 in 5 copies of destiny are digital. WHiohc would put destiny at 560k in x1. so 600k digital is very possible.


You're missing bundle sales.



Zekkyou on 08 November 2015
elektranine said:

VGC is dead wrong, they constantly undertrack playstation products while overtracking xbox products. This was announced by sony and confirmed by many third party sources such as Gamespot and others.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/uncharted-3-sells-38-million-copies/1100-6344707/

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Uncharted-3-Sells-3-8-Million-Copies-One-Day-36895.html

https://www.vg247.com/2011/11/10/uncharted-3-sells-3-8-million-units-on-day-one/

Uncharted 3 has the highest first 24hr sales of any exclusive videogame in history.

The only places that decided to spread FUD about it were places like IGN and eurogamer. Keep in mind these same places take MIcrosoft released sales as truth and never questions it.

Have a google around and you'll find plenty of sources which updated their articles when they found out it was shipped, not sold. We don't even need those sources to realize the 3.8m figure in 24 hours is a bit silly. We can just look at some of Sony's other announcements:

About a year before UC3 came out they announced the series had hit 8 million sales: 
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2010/12/09/uncharted-series-sells-nearly-8-million-copies/

Half a year after UC3 came out they announced 13 million:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-12-05-uncharted-series-sells-13-million-copies. 

So, even if Uncharted 1 and 2 sold literally absolutely nothing in the year following the first announcement, that would mean after selling 3.8 million in 24 hours, it then took UC3 another half a year to sell less than a third of that. I don't think i need to explain how silly that proposition is, but if you still want to believe it had a colossal first 24 hours and then a very disappointing following 6 months, there's not really anything i can do to stop you ^^



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jlmurph2 on 08 November 2015
binary solo said:
jlmurph2 said:
binary solo said:
jlmurph2 said:
Microsoft also said in their PR statement that Halo 5 was the best selling digital game on Xbox One. So 10-20% does not sound reasonable.

But 20% of 1.5 million, as USA only, is a lot and 20% of global is even more. According to VGC the best global week 1 for Xb one is CoD AW at 1.7 million. So if AW did 20% of 1.7 million week 1, and Halo 5 has global physcial sales of 2.1 million week 1 then 20% of 2.1 million > 20% of 1.7 million, hence biggest digital game on Xb one. I'm sure MS doesn't mean biggest digital LTD, just biggest digital opening week / launch period.


Looking at Amazon, the digital version of Halo 5 sold a really good amount for October. More than I've seen a digital console game for the monthly. And apparently this number isn't even counting bundle sales. There's more factors at play here these days.

Come on man, you're better than that. You can't link me to a Gaf post from a nobody and call that evidence. The Amazon information is interesting but hard to tell how significant. Still, lets say for argument's sake that H5G-D is 30%, which seems to be quite a high % and fairly rare, and possibly unprecedented for a major AAA release. It puts total US first week at just short of 2 million, if this rumour is correct, which is 20% lower than the 3 main Halo games on 360. If the digital numbers are going to totally make up the difference to past Halo games then the digital % needs to be 60% of Physical. That is massive and I doubt the digital % is over 50%.  So relative to past Halo games Halo 5 is going to be down by a reasonable margin even with digital sales factored in.

What does this tell us? It tells us Halo 5 sold well, but at least with Halo 5 it isn't the driving force it used to be. It also suggests MS needs to start thinking about something else as a premier franchise. Halo can continue to be produced but if they want 1st party games to be part of making substantial hardware gains they need a new powerhouse franchise as well as putting out regular smaller impact games that have a cumulative effect.

You're comparing Halo 5 sales to the Halo 3 days when COD was starting to get it's mass appeal and sold like 1.5m in it's first week WW. And then to the days when Xbox 360 had 43m sold with Halo Reach and 71m sold with Halo 4. To only look at "Oh these Halos sold more" is not a logical way to look at it. I'm sure if XB1 had 43m sold Halo 5 could sell more than Halo Reach and if it had 71m then Halo 5 would sell more than Halo 4.



AlfredoTurkey on 08 November 2015
jason1637 said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

If true, it again proves bungie>343. MS needs to get them back if possible because the franchise is a shadow of it's former self.


I think activision owns them


Yeah but that's up in 5 years. 



AlfredoTurkey on 08 November 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
TheSting said:
A lot of purchases were put on hold after the MCC fiasco. Don't know if they'll return. Word of mouth was very bad and most was well deserved.

I think the people focusing on that are primarily not Halo fans.

Also, it has continued to sell fairly well and many own it via bundling. Perhaps word is getting around that MCC is arguably the best multiplayer game around. Maybe?


I'm just happy as hell that we even HAVE the MCC because I don't like 343 Halo at all. To me, Halo sort of ended with Bungie leaving. Yes, I played and beat Halo 4 (on legendary none the less), but it didn't feel like Bungie Halo. Having the MCC and soon, the ability to play Halo 3 on my Xbox One has allowed me to continue to play my favorite FPS for many years to come without having to deal with 343's "vision"... or whatever it is. 



Snoopy on 08 November 2015

Halo 5 attach ratio is pretty good. If it sold about 3 million in the first week with only 15-18 million xbox one (going with 16 million) basically 1/5th of the xbox fanbase already bought it on week one. Im sure if there was as much xbox ones as there are when 360s when halo 4  was released then it would be just as good if not better in terms of sales. Halo 3 was lucky due to the fact that there was no competition at all. COD4 wasn't a thing yet.



SWORDF1SH on 08 November 2015

Let's do a summary.

1.5M in US for first week and according to VGC the ROW make up 32% of sales(Halo 4). This gives us a projection of 2.2M at retail WW.

Now add digital. 20% is the upper limit for digital and I believe that Halo will be pushing that or exceeding it slightly so we'll stick with 20% of sales being digital. That brings the total up to 2.75M digital and retail.

Now we can project the LTD sales. According to VGC, 1st week accounted for 38% of LTD for Halo 4. This will project Halo 5 to have a LTD of 7.34M

So if rumor is correct and VGC data is reliable LTD sales should be between 6.6M and 8M.

That's isn't too bad for halo, but puts it below 2,3,4 and Reach.