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Aura7541 on 07 November 2015
Snoopy said:

The sales from OP that we are going by said about 1.5 million in the US in about half a week.  It will be over 2 million not including digital and worldwide sales. Halo 4 sold 3.8 million in it's first week world wide. All it needs to do pretty much is gather 1.8 million from worldwide (outside of U.S.) sales and digital. That isn't too hard and again, my next sentence clearly talked about software attach ratio. Halo 4 had the luxry releasing on a console with around 80 million sales while Halo 5 came out around when Xbox One sold about 15 - 18 million. Reality is Halo 5 is doing better then Halo 4 but not as good as Halo 3 obviously because it had no competition.

Going over 2 million worldwide without digital is a stretch because the XBO is not performing strongly outside of the US/UK in comparison to the 360. The only non-US/UK market where Halo 5 managed to chart high was Germany. It might have charted high in France, too, since that is also a pretty big EU market. Other than that, nothing much. For instance, it failed to reach the Top 10 in Spain and I expect nothing different for the rest of Europe.

There isn't much incentive to buy the digital version of Halo 5 because it is more expensive than the physical disc unless you are getting the LE bundle. However, the bundle is very very expensive and it failed to sell out according to Abdiel. Heck, it is still readily available on Amazon.

Lastly, your userbase argument still doesn't work. Halo 3, Reach, and 4 launched at similar numbers in spite of such large differences in userbase when each game launched. The fanbase didn't really grow after 3, but it was maintained very well.



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Snoopy on 07 November 2015
Barozi said:
thread has really gone downhill.

People coming in without realising this is US only (and a rumor).

People claiming that UK = ~(Worldwide minus US) for X1 software sales.
CoD AW First Week (US 57.5%; UK 12.9%; Rest 29.6%)
Destiny First Week (US 59.4%; UK 12.7%; Rest 27.9%)
Halo MCC First Week (US 60.3%; UK 11.4%; Rest 28.3%)


People trying to act as if 10%, 20% or 30% digital sales of a game that sold about 2m retail WW (if the rumor is correct) is as insignificant as the same ratio for games that do well below 1m. (hint: even if the ratio is the same, the absolute numbers are quite different).

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If the rumor is correct, Halo 5 should be around 2.1m retail and probably around 2.5m with digital.

Btw. does that 1.4-1.5m even include the bundle?


Woah, didn't even know the rest of the world buys more games than UK. Halo 5 might do better than I expected. 



Insidb on 07 November 2015
jason1637 said:
Angelv577 said:

So assuming 30% of digital sales on 1.5m, that equal to 1.95m right? that's a huge decline compare to other halo games.  


Thats in the US only

I hope we get real numbers, because I'd really like to see the physical/digital split.



aLkaLiNE on 07 November 2015
Snoopy said:
Aura7541 said:

Do you have a citation that proves that cancelled preorders make a huge difference? Yes or no? You have not provided any empirical evidence, so why make such a faith-based claim?

The rest of your comment reeks of ignorance. Halo 3 and Reach, for instance, sold 3.3 million physical copies in the US alone. 1.4-1.5 is less than half of that. The digital rate has to be unrealistically astronomical in order to compensate for such a gap.


Halo 4 sold 3.8 million world wide first week. Halo 5 sales according to OP is first month DEBUT which is only 4 days. So 3 more days can easily put it above 2 million in U.S. alone with UK and the rest of the world and of course digitial sales it will probably meet those sales. That and the fact Halo 4 came out when 360 had a bigger user base. The series is doing fine. COD had a decline from MW3 and onwards ,but not one will ever ever call it a failure. Also, I never argued percentage regaring preorders, just a fact that everyone who preorders not going to buy it and Microsoft never released first week sales for Halo title like you claimed so you're wrong yet again.

Firstly, Halo is one of the most front loaded brands ever - as in a massive chunk of its sales occur within the first 24 hours.

 

Secondly, Halo 5 is "the biggest Halo launch" in terms of one metric: revenue. Do you know what that means? That does not mean profit, that means the total amount of money coming in but it includes the cost of shipping, the cost of development, the cost of marketing, all built right into the sale of one full MSRP point of one copy for Halo. 

 

Things get even more muddled up by the fact that they've decided to be very vague in how they're including hardware and software in this revenue stream. So where Halo 3 might have made 350million on just the game and its limited editions alone, Halo 5 can't be compared because for all the information that we do know, Microsoft at the very least is including xbox one LE console sales. That's approximately 8x the value of a standalone game sale. They could be including - micro transactions, controllers, headsets, anything with the Halo name on it, games given away for free from other various bundles... We simply do not know the extent and its apparent that MS wants it that way. Weve been hearing rumors that this is the lowest selling mainline entry since it launched and all evidence thus far is pointing toward this.

 

Why can you not grasp that? The franchise is declining and MS has relied on it for too long. It happens unless your name is Mario. That's just how it goes.



SWORDF1SH on 07 November 2015
Snoopy said:


It said month debut so that is what I am going by. Halo 5 was out for 4 days during October. Sorry I missed your reply. 


Actually it doesn't even matter. It's five days up until the Saturday. That extra Sunday will not make much difference. If it does include the Sunday, which I expect it does, that's considered a full week. So anyway, it you want to say to the end of the month, you're going to hav to stop saying half a week. It's 5 days with all the preorders and Saturday which is probably the day that most business it done.



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DonFerrari on 07 November 2015

I have a serious hard time to believe it. Even if MS report is about shipped units and buffed with HW (not all part of Halo, but counted because it was in the week of Halo so they can count as Halo effect) it would be too discrepant. And would be a lot lower than other Halos... I would be more confortable around 2.3-2.8M



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

riecsou on 07 November 2015

Reading Snoopy reminds me a lot of TheDrill.
NPD is like 5 days away now. Should show more clarity on those numbers. But with MS PR we could have a feeling that this Halo didn't match the reception from previous Halo.



Aura7541 on 07 November 2015
Barozi said:
thread has really gone downhill.

People coming in without realising this is US only (and a rumor).

People claiming that UK = ~(Worldwide minus US) for X1 software sales.
CoD AW First Week (US 57.5%; UK 12.9%; Rest 29.6%)
Destiny First Week (US 59.4%; UK 12.7%; Rest 27.9%)
Halo MCC First Week (US 60.3%; UK 11.4%; Rest 28.3%)


People trying to act as if 10%, 20% or 30% digital sales of a game that sold about 2m retail WW (if the rumor is correct) is as insignificant as the same ratio for games that do well below 1m. (hint: even if the ratio is the same, the absolute numbers are quite different).

_______________________________________________________________

If the rumor is correct, Halo 5 should be around 2.1m retail and probably around 2.5m with digital.

Btw. does that 1.4-1.5m even include the bundle?

The bundle is not included as the number allegedly comes from NPD, so standalone physical copies only.

I made some calculations based on the numbers you gave. Halo 5 might have sold between 2.8 - 3.0 million worldwide. That's still lower than how much 3, Reach, and 4 sold in the US alone.



jason1637 on 07 November 2015
Barozi said:
thread has really gone downhill.

People coming in without realising this is US only (and a rumor).

People claiming that UK = ~(Worldwide minus US) for X1 software sales.
CoD AW First Week (US 57.5%; UK 12.9%; Rest 29.6%)
Destiny First Week (US 59.4%; UK 12.7%; Rest 27.9%)
Halo MCC First Week (US 60.3%; UK 11.4%; Rest 28.3%)


People trying to act as if 10%, 20% or 30% digital sales of a game that sold about 2m retail WW (if the rumor is correct) is as insignificant as the same ratio for games that do well below 1m. (hint: even if the ratio is the same, the absolute numbers are quite different).

_______________________________________________________________

If the rumor is correct, Halo 5 should be around 2.1m retail and probably around 2.5m with digital.

Btw. does that 1.4-1.5m even include the bundle?


Going to use this to estimate its sales for halo 5 first 5 days of sales.

Lests say halo 5 has 57% in the us and  13%in the Uk and then 30% in the rest fo the world.

Thats 1.5m retail in the US. and 150k in the uk then thats around 350k in the rest of the world. A total of  of 2m. Now if around 20% of the sales are digital then thats 2.4m in its first 5 days. Now if digital sales are a shigh as 30% then thats 2.6million.

Now if it sold 600k then that would make it the biggest xbox digital download if we go by a source saying 1 in 5 copies of destiny are digital. WHiohc would put destiny at 560k in x1. so 600k digital is very possible.



Snoopy on 07 November 2015
SWORDF1SH said:
Snoopy said:


It said month debut so that is what I am going by. Halo 5 was out for 4 days during October. Sorry I missed your reply. 


Actually it doesn't even matter. It's five days up until the Saturday. That extra Sunday will not make much difference. If it does include the Sunday, which I expect it does, that's considered a full week. So anyway, it you want to say to the end of the month, you're going to hav to stop saying half a week. It's 5 days with all the preorders and Saturday which is probably the day that most business it done.


We don't include Tuesday? I thought you don't count the day you're on when you're counting.