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mountaindewslave said:

there is an utter lack of respect that parents are enabling to kids these days for authority. There are plenty of bad cops out there, but I hardly think this school cop was out of line for attempting to remove a girl from a classroom when asked to do so. she DID grab onto her desk when he touched her and made the whole thing much worse

So you are saying because she grab the desk, he was in the right to put her in a rear choke hold, pick the desk up, slam her to the ground, then pick her up and toss her a couple yards away like he did.  So if this was your daughter, wife, mom, sister you believe this would be ok for a non-violent situation.  

Just so I am hearing you right, you believe there isn't a limit to what a cop should be able to do for non-violent situations and they should be allowed to do whatever it takes to "get the job done".

 Also just want to be sure, as a parent, you would be ok about with this situation if you or your wife was not notified first and allowed the chance to correct this situation before the cop decided he needed to use force.

Last but not least, just because a teen decide to be a stubborn ass, why would the natural ideal be that its the parent fault.  So are you saying that kids from good parents never act this way, because stubborn ass or rebellious ect.



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mountaindewslave said:


cops remove children breaking rules from classrooms constantly, this is an extremely common thing in poorer school districts

it's unfortunate that it got a bit rough but in the end the girl was not harmed at all and the reality is that the only reason the officer had to drag her around is because she clung onto her desk and deliberately disobeyed and tried to make the whole thing as difficult as possible

this is a bad trend and the reality is that out of control kids should not be allowed in schools at all if they can't manage to do what they're told by adult administration

that's a police offer, not some random janitor or something. there are plenty of cases in which cops abuse their power and assault and hurt people but this is just not one of those cases. he removed an acting up student from a classroom and she had a fit and made it much worse than it should have been

You are right they remove children breaking rules from the classroom constantly...but just not in this manner. He had BOTH of her hands and her leg was stuck under the desk so how was she "clinging" to anything? From the students who were in the class....she had her cell phone out and when the teacher saw it asked for the phone. She refused, put it up and apologized. And when asked to leave she was upset as a child would be because she felt she did nothing wrong to be deserved to be put out of the class room.

Removing a student from class and a grown man flinging a child like a rag doll are two totally different things. She was not violent nor was she a threat to anyone. She was upset(as normal children get) because she felt she didn't do anything to deserve to be kicked out of class. This was not some "out of control kid" and just think about this...if this was a video of you doing a child like this you would be in jail for child abuse. What are you going to say she was mad because she felt she didn't do anything wrong so I man handled her? I agree some of these kids are 100% out of control. But from the people who were there...this was not one of those cases. This was again over kill. She was in teh wrong for not leaving but again he was in the wrong for how he handled the situation. Both parties were wrong.



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mountaindewslave said:
FatedReality said:
The cop is a trained professional. There is no reason for the cop to detain the kid with such force over a little disruption in the class. If the student was causing harm or threatening to harm another student, teacher, officer, etc. I can see why such force would be used on the kid, but that wasn't the case...That type of behavior from the cop is way over the top and he should be reprimanded for it.


you understand how schools work right? they're for education and generally have pretty serious rules in terms of what behavior is allowed and not allowed. when someone is disobeying a teacher or making a scene in a classroom legally speaking they can indeed be removed

the only issue in this case is that the removal was a bit rougher than I'm sure was expected or planned. rewatching the video though and it's obvious that the only  reason it was as uncomfortable and rough is because the girl was attempting NO to get removed

 

I don't know what kind of parents she has or whatever, but any kid who is literally physically attempting to not let an officer remove them from a place they have been told to leave is an absolute idiot and deserves an uncomfortable drag out of the classroom

 

there is an utter lack of respect that parents are enabling to kids these days for authority. There are plenty of bad cops out there, but I hardly think this school cop was out of line for attempting to remove a girl from a classroom when asked to do so. she DID grab onto her desk when he touched her and made the whole thing much worse

I never said she shouldn't be removed from the class... I said she shouldn't have been removed from the class with such force. Are you really trying to tell me a trained police offcier that is probably twice her size couldn't have figured out a better way to detian the child then to choke her and throw her on the ground like some rag doll? Pleaseeeee. This behavior by the police officer is inexcusable, which is why this is such a big deal. 

If your chewing gum in class and that's agaisnt school rules should you be choke slammed on to the ground and thrown across the room.... of course not. Then why should a girl be slamed onto the ground for not wanting to give up her phone? If the officer knew how to do his job correctly he would have been able to detian the child safely and humanly. Instead he decided to use barbaric violence against a child that could have severly injured her...



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Machiavellian said:
LivingMetal said:
Not knowing the whole story, people cannot think they can get away with anything just because there might be a public outcry. Could the cop have handled it better, maybe. Could all of this have been prevented if the child wasn't misbehaving, YES. Thinks about the source of the problem before you blame the results.

The problem with your statement is that you believe a non-violent situation had to end with what we saw in the video.


Wrong.  If we can look a a billion alternative reality, a more peaceful out come could have resulted.  But guess what, we live in this reality.  And in this reality, the school requested a cop, and the cop was NOT out of line due to resisting of athority.



Machiavellian said:
LivingMetal said:

What if the student still refuses?

Easy, you wait unit the parents get their and then escort her out.  If we are still playing stay in the chair you get multiple officers to hold her down in the chair cuff her and remove her but everything done with the PARENTS there.  As long as the situation stays non-violent there is never a need to use it.  Also demostrating this with all of the kids in the classroom was not neccessary.  


What if the parents cannot get there before the end of the period or the end of school depending on the time of day?  And what if the student defies the parents?



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mountaindewslave said:

oh come on, get real here, there is no doubt that this is the sort of student who is a repeat offender in terms of misbehaving. her teacher apparently was fairly quick into asking for administration help because he knew she was a problem child

it's not about the cop 'doing whatever he wants' its about the simple fact that on a government premesis where there are RULES you need to obide by them. she's not an 8 year old girl, she's a teenager and knew exactly what she was doing

 

any teenage kid making a scene and disobeying administration and officers should be prepared to get dragged out of a classroom, uncomfortably or otherwise

it's not a yes or no question, it's literally the law of the school. sorry but if my kid is disobeying a bunch of different school officials and THEN a police officer the last thing I'm going to feel is bad for them when they get dragged out of a classroom

 

cop did nothing wrong in this case

The story says she was a new student and classmates commenting about her said she did not talk to anyone and kept to herself.  So I ask you where are you getting your information that she is a repeat offender.  Anyway I am not questioning whether or not the girl is or is not a repeated stubborn brat, I am questioning why such force at all is used in a non-violent situation period.

You are making stuff up to support your opinion.  The kid was not making a scene.  Yes disobeying adminstration but she was not screeming, yelling, cursing or causing any type of disruption on that level.  And no, a police officer should not be prepared to drag a non-violent student out of a classroom unless all options have been exausted.

At Bolded:  Hell No, if my child was not violent in any way and she was picked up, slammed to the floor and tossed like a piece of trash without anyone calling me first before any of this escalated to such a violent event there is no way in hell I am ok with that.  Why the hell would you be ok not being the first option before something like this happen is beyond my comprehension and the only way I can see it is that you definitely do not have a daughter.   

Why you would even believe such violence from a cop is ok with all the other students in the class is also beyond my comprehension.  Even if the cop believe this level of force was needed all the kids should have been removed from the classroom and the situation should have been done without the extra showmanship. 

 

It really boggles my mind the level of acceptance people will take just because someone refused authority.  Maybe it’s because it’s not your family it’s easy to make such statements just like when people try to tell you how to raise a child but never had one.  As if every child fits into this perfect mold and there is a perfect template for any situation.



LivingMetal said:
Machiavellian said:

Easy, you wait unit the parents get their and then escort her out.  If we are still playing stay in the chair you get multiple officers to hold her down in the chair cuff her and remove her but everything done with the PARENTS there.  As long as the situation stays non-violent there is never a need to use it.  Also demostrating this with all of the kids in the classroom was not neccessary.  


What if the parents cannot get there before the end of the period or the end of school depending on the time of day?  And what if the student defies the parents?

Then she stays in that seat!!!   Already answered the defy parent part.

You can why me to death but tell me why would their ever be a need for such a violent result for a non-violent situation.  Why do you feel that violence was the needed action for this situation and why would we not exhaust any non-violent scenarios before such force is ever needed.  The key is that the situation was never violent to ever need that result on a kid.



mountaindewslave said:

oh come on, do you have any idea how many students behave like this girl in low income school communities ? there aren't 'multiple officers' available to deal with and work together to remove all of the pain in the ass teenage misbehaving students

the first thing that got violent in that video was the girl by freaking out when the police officer touched her. guess what? I cop can grab you and remove you from a room if you've broken rules

the issue here was the girl, not the cop. and it's absurd how many people seem to be taking a 15 second video as their whole evidence. guess what, the girl disobeyed administrator after administrator before this and also had already been spoken to by the cop

Yes, I do know how many students behave like this girl because I lived in those schools growing up.  I have seen what a good teacher can do to disfussed a common stubborn ass situation like this without calling a police office to come into the classroom just becuase the kid would not give up her cell phone.  I have seen when kids are treated with respect how these situations are handled without any violence.  I have also seen the opposite, I have seen exactly such situations but there was never anyone trying to find out the why before the violence and the results are the same as what we see here.  Some kid for whatever reason being a stubborn ass.  No one tries to find the why before the violence and the result is that the kid gets hurt.  Back then there was no cell phone or any way to dispute the results of what happen and resentment becomes high.

If you would have said the girl got violent, starting to disrupted the class by cursing at the teacher or students then you would have a case but sitting at her desk and being a stubborn punk kid, no do not see it.

You are right the issue was the girl and as I stated already, nothing was done to find out the WHY of the behavior before force was used.  Why is it we feel that for a non-violent situation, that it actually had to result in the girl getting slammed and tossed.



Machiavellian said:
LivingMetal said:


What if the parents cannot get there before the end of the period or the end of school depending on the time of day?  And what if the student defies the parents?

Then she stays in that seat!!!   Already answered the defy parent part.

You can why me to death but tell me why would their ever be a need for such a violent result for a non-violent situation.  Why do you feel that violence was the needed action for this situation and why would we not exhaust any non-violent scenarios before such force is ever needed.  The key is that the situation was never violent to ever need that result on a kid.

 


Then let every student execise their "right" to stay and/or go wherever they want and how they want to disrupt the fabric of civil society and parenting norms.  That's the pandora's box YOU are opening up.  And I never said violence was the only means that would have difused the situation.  It was the student that proved that the actions taken was at least one  viable solution.  Remember, she originaly resisted and continued to resist more and more.  It was all her.  And if you asked twenty people for non-violent solutions and received twenty different solutions, trying all twenty solutions in this case of reality goes beyond human reasoning and into the realm of insanity.  It will show how much students have control over the education system as they can manipulate rules and regulation to disrupt the flow of order and education in the public education system.  You wouldn't get anything done, thus defeating the purpose of an education system.



Machiavellian said:
mountaindewslave said:

oh come on, do you have any idea how many students behave like this girl in low income school communities ? there aren't 'multiple officers' available to deal with and work together to remove all of the pain in the ass teenage misbehaving students

the first thing that got violent in that video was the girl by freaking out when the police officer touched her. guess what? I cop can grab you and remove you from a room if you've broken rules

the issue here was the girl, not the cop. and it's absurd how many people seem to be taking a 15 second video as their whole evidence. guess what, the girl disobeyed administrator after administrator before this and also had already been spoken to by the cop

Yes, I do know how many students behave like this girl because I lived in those schools growing up.  I have seen what a good teacher can do to disfussed a common stubborn ass situation like this without calling a police office to come into the classroom just becuase the kid would not give up her cell phone.  I have seen when kids are treated with respect how these situations are handled without any violence.  I have also seen the opposite, I have seen exactly such situations but there was never anyone trying to find out the why before the violence and the results are the same as what we see here.  Some kid for whatever reason being a stubborn ass.  No one tries to find the why before the violence and the result is that the kid gets hurt.  Back then there was no cell phone or any way to dispute the results of what happen and resentment becomes high.

If you would have said the girl got violent, starting to disrupted the class by cursing at the teacher or students then you would have a case but sitting at her desk and being a stubborn punk kid, no do not see it.

You are right the issue was the girl and as I stated already, nothing was done to find out the WHY of the behavior before force was used.  Why is it we feel that for a non-violent situation, that it actually had to result in the girl getting slammed and tossed.

All of us want a non-violent end to everything.  But that is NOT the reality we live in.  Sometimes violence happen because people provoke it such as this student.  The cop tried escorting her by the arm.  The more she pushed (resisted), the more the cop had to push back.  Plain and simple.  She started the violence by resisting.  Go ask her why it ended that way.