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Genetics 'cause' cancer, not food. Food 'promotes' cancer growth



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Still... someone clear up what the low-down on coffee was? good or bad?
Because Ive always heard it was supposed to be good (plenty of antioxidants in it) and reduce cancer risk.

(same with red wine)



JRPGfan said:
Still... someone clear up what the low-down on coffee was? good or bad?
Because Ive always heard it was supposed to be good (plenty of antioxidants in it) and reduce cancer risk.

(same with red wine)

Coffee isn't healthy for you and even if it was healthy for you there are much better ways to get the health benefits that coffee provides without ever touching the drink. Same goes for red wine or anything that has added sugar/chemicals.



As long as you don't go overboard with anything, you should be fine.



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Octane said:
MegaDrive08 said:

You do realise there counter arguments all over the internet, i could find scientific research thay counters what you have just said, if you think what you consume has no affect on your body your an idiot, fruits like nuts and seeds are part of our natural diet, you probably think drinking milk from an entirley different species of animal is normal to!!! Im a Vegetarian going Vegan, ive never felt better or had so much energy as i do now, ive also stopped ageing, if it aint natural i dont consume it.

You stopped ageing... lol sure... Don't know if I can take you serious or not. Anyway, I agree to an extent, eating too much meat isn't healthy, but that's the case with a lot of things. About milk, it didn't use to be ''natural'', but humans (with the exception of some African tribes) have developed a resistance against lactose, and it is completely fine to drink, but again, not too much. Meat on the other hand has always been part of the human diet.

Again, did you read my post? Different types of food have different effects on our body, but acidity doesn't matter.

It depends on how the research is conducted. I've seen and read plenty of half-arsed research papers in my life, but the things that's usually worse is the conclusions people draw. The raw data itself is usually interpreted wrongly. A lot of people tend to confuse causation and correlation. I can conduct a research where I follow 5,000 people that consume ''processed'' foods and 5,000 people that are on a ''natural'' diet (or even vegetarians if you want). I'm almost certain that the results will show that group A, the one that consumes relatively more ''processed'' foods are more likely to develop cancer than group B. However that isn't proof that ''processed'' foods cause cancer. There's usually a lot more going on. It's just a correlation, not a causation. If you're very concious about what you eat, you probably don't smoke and you probably work out more as well; thus you're more likely living a healthier life than group A, thus explaining why group A is more prone to develop cancer than group B, not necesarily because they have a more unhealthy diet, but because their entire lifestyle is likely less healthy. But still, you need to find what actually causes the cancer and how it causes cancer.


Yeah sure many more things go into it, such as excercise, genetics, drinking, smoking ect which i dont do either, and my ageing process has slowed dramatically i look over 10 years younger than i am, but think what you want about meat and dairy, humans are not carnivores, until you can eat your meat raw with furr blood and all, your not a real carnivore, our jaws work in a grinding motion not straight up and down like a lion, we sweat through our pores like a  herbivore.



 

bdbdbd said:

If you fry (burn) them with too much heat, then yes. But if you burn veggies in the same way, they are carcinogenic aswell. Also, something like sunflower oil promotes cancer by nature, just like olive oil that's heated too much. Also, cancer cell feed on carbohydrates, which means LCHF could help you fight cancer (apparently so does vitamin D).

If carbs feed cancer it's odd that vegans have much lower chances of developing cancer, considering that is the majority of our diet. If you have a source for that i'd like to see it. I mean there studies that say carbs will make you fat, which is false. Fat and eating more than your body needs makes you fat.  I eat around 300 grams of carbs just for breakfast alone.

Low carb = low energy. 



As most of you have already gathered, everything gives you cancer.



FIT_Gamer said:
pokoko said:

So only cows, pigs, and chickens count?  Other animals don't?  And many animals kill for sport.  Cats, chimps, otters, dolphins, dogs, and wolves off the top of my head.  I'm sure there are many, many more.  Most of those will also kill the babies of thier own kind and sometimes eat them.  Actually, now that I think about it, pigs are mean as hell and will kill and eat pretty much anything they can, including cats, rats, and baby animals of other species.

No all animals matter, i don't pick and choose which ones are more important. I don't partake in speciesism. I just mentioned those animals because of the topic at hand. Those are the main ones we breed, torture, and kill by billions every year and they are most docile. All of those animals you listed kill out of necessity(food) or self defense. Also the scale of those situations doesn't even compare to what we do to them. Pigs mean as hell? lol Maybe abused pigs. Pigs are very docile and extremely smart, smarter than most breeds of dogs, but the majority of bacon eaters lose their shit when people talk about eating dogs. Reality is very few animals will go out of their way to injure or kill another animal without feeling threatened or for necessity due to their biological make up.  Humans were not designed to eat meat, and we are healthier without it. We haven't evolved to meat, which is why we still cook pretty much all meat to make it "safe".

You seriously have no idea what you're talking about and you should probably look this up before you go any further.  Most animals don't give a damn if other animals outside their pack die or even suffer.

And, no, all the animals I mentioned are documented as killing for reasons outside of food or defense.  Cats will play with small animals before killing them.  They'll also kill kittens that do not belong to them--I've seen that happen, by the way, as we've had an entire litter wiped out.  Wolves will hunt down and kill animals when they're not hungry and leave the carcass.  Otters will play and kill with fish even when they're full.  Sea lions will tear the fins off of fish and leave them to die, just for fun.  

Chimps will bully, gang up on, and murder other chimps for no reason we can determine.  They'll play with and kill smaller animals, including other primates.  They will take baby chimps away from their mothers and kill them. 

The gentle dolphin?  They kill other species for fun.

As far as pigs go, my uncle raised hogs.  Some of the boars are big and nasty tempered and will knock you down and maul you.  Wild pigs will attack you and won't hesitate to kill and eat other animals.  

People think all animals stepped right out of Disney movies but that's not true at all.  Most animals are amoral.   



Superquagsire said:
 Also our bodies are made to process natural beef and meat


Not really or we wouldn't need to cook it and it would digest quicker.