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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 23 October 2015
LurkerJ said:

Thank you. You said it best.

Frankly, giving sales numbers to the public isn't a big of a deal for a company like MS. I am pretty sure it won't hinder them or propel them. Xbox division is large enough to justify its existence as a part of a much bigger company. That's all there is to know. If it ever becomes too small, we'll all know. I find the outrage in this thread amusing though. No one gave two shits outside of videogames sales forums.

And why do you think that is?



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 23 October 2015

Landguy said:
....When people mention that MS will not ever overtake Steam, I just laugh. Steam doesn't provide you with anything other than a convenient place to buy mostly older PC games at a discount and even then,

What do you think the point of vendors on PC are? That's all that's neccessary to be provided. All the other stuff XBL provides have defacto PC standards like Amazon and Netflix. Unless w10 store magically does these things better, nobody will care if it does it all in one place.

it is based on DRM. Nonsequitor

The whole point behind Win10 is to get people on the MS ecosystem. Why would anybody truly go over to Steam if the same game at the same price was available in the WIn10 app store? Loyalty? Yeah right, there is no such thing.

The same reason people use Internet Explorer, to download Chrome. Just cause it is installed by default doesn't mean there will be an impetus to use it. Furthemore, the converse of your claim is also apt, why woud anyone go over to 10 app store if it was already on Steam? It could go either way. 

MS will build the Win10 app store up slowly through the mass market adoption of Win10. 

Windows has been the dominant platform for years, during which MS has always had propreitary services but in spite of this Steam, Amazon, Netflix, Chrome/Firefox have excelled. Look how well Windows 8 changed things, after all W 10 store is literally just that.

Do gamers have to delete their Steam accounts? NO. But, just like people have accounts with Apple or Google or MS or Steam, they will have them in multiple places. Over time, there will be less and less need to go to Steam and then it will slowly shrink. It probably will not go away and we should hope it doesn't as it will keep MS honest in their app store.

Until W10 Store offers better, not more, better, than Steam, then that won't be happenning. Existing is not enough, there has to be clear advantages, and the convience of avaliability equally applies to both.

The only thing that would concievably take down Steam, at least from its top position, is its own lack of quality control, not Windows 10 App store.



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Frazzles on 23 October 2015

Microsoft, like any other company is allowed to spin whatever statistics they want to their advantage. Those statistics are growing thin but highlight where they feel they are providing a better service. Can only continue to make others aware of their deficiencies and try to improve (hopefully). It is a more mature paying service after all.

Most people can see through this marketing or are duped by other statistics from competitors.



ArchangelMadzz on 23 October 2015
joannababy said:
ethomaz said:
kowenicki said:
You find in unacceptable? Ha. Could you be more entitled? You find everything MS do unnacceptable. Whats new?

They are a company, companies exist solely to make money. Results of individual hardware items is very much a phenomenon of the gaming indutsry. Few other do it, few others care. Its ALL about revenue and profits. Surely you are sensible enough to understand that by now?

Anyhow, off on my holidays now. Cheer up, no need to be downbeat about it.

Pease stop to make stuffs from nowhere.

Companies shares hardware numbers... there is few that didn't... you can look for any market if you wish... even the number of cars sold is public shared , smartphones sold, etc etc etc.


samsung does not share unit numbers
ea does not share unit number (okay that is not hardware). most other publisher does not share unit numbers
amazon does not share unit numbers
sony does not share unit numbers (if they are not meningful to them and theire shareholders anymore)

and several other

 

there are many companies who share unit numbers. and enough who don't. 

Yes they do
As you said not hardware
Amazon's hardware isn't commercially successful which is kind of his point and most of amazons revenue comes from well it selling other peoples stuff.
They share units sold all the time and shipments every quater.



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humbledgamer on 23 October 2015

I think MS is tired of being embarrassed by the PS4 sales and that they want to hide their lower numbers. I don't even think the Halo 5 bundle will win them the October NPD. No way is XB1 at 18 million sold. 15 million to 16 max.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 23 October 2015
zero129 said:

I think you dont realize just how much MS is going to be pushing the Windows 10 App store. What exclusive games have valve released recently?.

With MS they will be able to get all the new games coming to steam plus their own exclusive games, and if you think games like Halo, Gears, Forza etc wont bring people to the MS store well i dont know what to say.

Now what if MS starts buying 3rd party exclusive games for their app store? after all people will be able to play them games on a number of devices something steam cannot do at this time. Dont get me wrong id never leave steam cos im locked into their store with all my games. But that still doesnt mean i wouldnt buy games from the Ms store if they had better deals (Something MS can offered to do) .

Comparing the Ms store to Internet explorer is also a bad thing to do since its nothing alike.

Also MS has seemed to of learned from their mistakes with the Games for Windows Gold.

Well steams user base will only be growing on PC MS's user base will be growing on PC/ Consoles/Phones/tablets/ maybe even Smart TV's.

I think your looking at this short term instead of the long term, i also think that you dont realize that once MS Switchs back to PC fully they are going to go at it hard, you will see the MS store being advertised on TV you will see Exclusive games for the MS store being advertised on TV, you will see MS buying exclusive games along with their own exclusives to keep them away from steam. New users will buy a windows 10 device and use the Ms store since its right there in their face and if it has the same new games they want to play as steam does then they wont feel the need to install steam as like you said their needs will be fullfilled. Also one other thing is that all them stores can co exist on PC and users will use them for the exclusives the same way users use origin for EA games. Now im not saying MS will completly over take steam, But i do believe if they play their cards right and with the right deals they will come very close to their userbase numbers and will be the 2nd biggest digital store on PC.

Like i said people said the same thing about the PS3 and X360 that Ms would never stand a chance against Sony and we all know how that worked and if they didnt have to make such mistakes with the X1 i bet you that the PS4 and X1 would be very close in userbase numbers too.

You're right, I am looking at it short-term, but only because long term seems like such a stretch without more information. Regardless, your assertions are fair so...fair enough.

That being said, I don't think comparing this future scenario to PS3 vs 360 is apt. The PS3 made a slew of mistakes, including higher price point after already releasing later. In contrast, Steam is essentially the poster boy of PC Gaming Software, their only sin is quality control and their refund system is addressing that,  pushing the OS just doesn't seem significant enough to me, b/c this isn't MS's first foray into online vending. IIRC Games for Windows predates Windows 8, which is when MS introduced their app store, and Games for Windows is 5 feet under right now. Intresting to note that it started 3 years after Steam did.

To me at least, it looks like PS2 vs Xbox.

#Addendum: Apparently, Steam extends to mobile's iOS and Android as well. I don't think it support mobile games, and the AS/GP may impede this, but if threatened by Live moving in on PC, then it certainly is a possiblity. There already many games on both steam and mobile seperatly, implementing cross buy and other further unification features might result. If we consider Portal 2 on the PS3, Steam and PS might also come to a PC agreement for more cross buy games, even if these were multiplats or at least valve produced multiplats. But hey, I'm just throwing out ideas.

Certainly very contestable, but guarateed to lead to considerable evolution in PC gaming, and its trickle down effect into console, which as evident in this generations consoles, will be much quicker.



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jason1637 on 23 October 2015

X1 is around 16 million right now. It should reach 20 million this year. But i dont find it unacceptable. We know they lost. They just dont want to kill an already dead horse.



DonFerrari on 23 October 2015
Protendo said:
DonFerrari said:
So they can use live Numbers from x360 and pc to pump the Numbers. Once those Numbers get lower or ps4 hw get over it will they change metrics? Like access for 12 months not only one? Can we start accepting Xbox will be discontinued? Is this the way phil spencer was ready for ps4 pricecut? Hide the Numbers and let the rumors spread.


Don't forget they are adding Silver memberships to the numbers (free version) for the first time.

They seriously went out of their way to mask the numbers.


Well, anything to win te number war



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HollyGamer on 23 October 2015

Guys, guys please don't bully Xbox one, because it's already dead, and this announcement from Microsoft actually will not help most of Xbox fan out there who discussing Xbox one number, and this will shows how coward Microsoft is compare to his competitor. Look at the bright side, every argument from Xbox fans can be easily debunk because Microsoft is afraid to shows the actual number.

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Snoopy on 23 October 2015

Microsoft is obviously being smart and wants to expand their ecosystem across all platforms. In the long run this will make them money unlike the competition who are constantly losing money.