
| Goodnightmoon said: No, I think you bought the game because it looked amazing and i believe that you like it. But for me is pretty clear why you did it
Besides losing a relative, I also (at the time) had a full time job, I did the XCX tech breakdown during a work holiday, on my own free time, believe it or not, work takes priority over games, and i'm not one to do technical analysis on retails games unless i have the time to actually sink in to playing it extensively and getting a proper feel for it, sorry if my descision not to half-ass things upsets you. Doesnt matter what you believe, the term "the proof is in the pudding" applies here, anyone with a decent background in programming or development can easilly look at the emulators source code and understand their approach, and how they will make easy headway in future based on that, I have been following the development of this emulator for some time now, prior to the POC release, as I find emulator development interesting, which is why i got involved in the thread in the first place, you see my take on the topic is one grounded in fact from taking the evidence (source code), comparing it with other evidence (source code for similar systems) and making a solid prediction based on that, on the other hand you are making your predictions based on nothing more than emoton. when that does not really work like that, Is like a psychologist making a final judgement out of a 1 hour session, it doesn´t matter how brilliant he is, he can be completely wrong, but he has the "I´m a professional" card, so we should belive him no matter what , and everyone that disagrees is wrong, that´s an authority falacy. The human brain is an extremely complicated thing, as is human emotion, code on the other hand, something we have open access to for this emulator, is not, for anyone with a background in development reading through the source code is like reading a well documented roadmap of their journey to get the software to where it currently is, your comparison is completely and utterly wrong. What you are saying is, "doesnt matter if you read the book, you wont know what happens in the movie", and that too would be true, but the resulting movie wouldnt be far off of the book, especially if the director aimed to stick closely to the books plot.
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Oh geeze, replied to each section piece by piece.
| Goodnightmoon said: And yet this emotional wind that comes from somebody that has been playing on emulators all his life is gonna be right, because that emulator is not gonna be decent next year wich is gonna make this very funny and confirm my authority phallacy theory. Can´t wait. |
Playing on emulators does not automatically make you an authority on how projects progress, many emulators of old experienced periods of zero development as a result of the developers either moving on or considering their latest release final, however in the past few years open source development on platforms like github have revived many previously abandoned projects and breathed new life into otherwise idle software.
And yes, like it or not, someone who knows how to code and took the time to read through multiple itterations of the emulators SVN will have a more solid grasp of the developmental future of a project, versus someone who has "played on emulators all his life", just like a game developer will have a more solid grasp of game development than a person that has "played games all his life".
That's just the way things go, however, and it's now the fourth time i have stated this, I am not asking you or anyone else to take my word for it, the emulator is open source, anyone can go and see the evidence for themselves.
haxxiy said:
Now you are falling for a lot of logical fallacies yourself. Mainly "I'm entitled to my own opinion" and begging the question. You haven't given any objective reason at all why anyone would believe your judgement over Takoma's by the way, which is basically the fallacious opposite of appeal to authority you so thoughtlessly claimed, which is called called dismissal of evidence. |
She haven´t give us any objective reason either yet we should believe her because her work when she has made several mistakes on her past predictions despite her position and she has already shown her biasment in the past, and that´s what I´m pointing out, now I´m not gonna make a post with every comment that made me think she is is indeed strongly biased against Nintendo related things if that´s what you want.
There is no evidence in the past of any emulator of a current gen homeconsole working fine without tons of problems everywhere just a year later of it´s announcement, even dolphin had problems with the wii and that was almost the same exact engine that GC and the efforts to make it works started since wii was released, yet it didn´t until 2-3 years later and only in high end PCs and tons of problems. Not even the ps3/x360 emulator works fine now and that had plenty of time, even if wiiu is similar on its chore to a wii, is still a strange machine that developers find really hard to use and it´s way more powerfull than wii (not like it happened with GC-Wii), so i cannot imagine how they would make it work decently next year specially after seeing that the only games that is able to run is Nes remix at 1fps without sound and Mario 3dworld without the environments and without the sound at 8fps, optimization takes years for all emulators. That´s my reason, the experience says it is not going to happen next year.
| Goodnightmoon said: There is no evidence in the past of any emulator of a current gen homeconsole working fine without tons of problems everywhere just a year later of it´s announcement |
Chankast (DC emulator) between its first release and final release was capable of playing virtually every game on the Dreamcast, at full speed, with sound, on even low spec PCs, GBsp for the PSP was able to emulate gameboy games on the PSP within 2 weeks of the PSP even being exploited, Bleem for PC ran PS1 games well on its first ever release, the only reason it died was down to the developers attempting to sell it at retail.
There have been numerous emulators released within the current-gen lifetimes of their console counterparts that have within a year of the initial release played most games very well.
You are supposed to be a lifelong emulator user, act like it.
But hey, let's just reflect upon the apposing sides here. First we have you.
| Goodnightmoon said: Well, is gonna take years and a Nasa computer until it runs fine, and even there the wiiu gamepad is not posible to use unless you put some kind of akward split screen and using the mouse instead of your hand to touch it. |
You then later make a claim of 6 years, so to put this into perspective, you firmly believe in 2021 people will need an NASA computer (supercomputer) to emulate the WiiU.
Then we have me, who took the time to read the source code, understand it, and make a fairly solid estimation of how long it will take to be running games at playable speeds.
Who is making the most sense here?
Goodnightmoon said:
She haven´t give us any objective reason either yet we should believe her because her work when she has made several mistakes on her past predictions despite her position and she has already shown her biasment in the past, and that´s what I´m pointing out, now I´m not gonna make a post with every comment that made me think she is is indeed strongly biased against Nintendo related things if that´s what you want. |
Why do you antagonize her like this? You are basically calling her a liar and try to discredit her because... ??
What's wrong with a Wii U emulator being capable of running games one year from now? What's in for you?
Ever heard of PPSSPP? Out of nowhere, it got out and ready to play most games in no time. This Wii U emulator is building on the foundation that was laid by Dolphin. As such, they aren't starting from nothing, like it is the case for other emulators (such as the one for the PS3).
In any case, I don't see why you feel the need to go ballistic whenever anything is said about or happens to your precious Nintendo.
Tachikoma said:
Chankast (DC emulator) between its first release and final release was capable of playing virtually every game on the Dreamcast, at full speed, with sound, on even low spec PCs, GBsp for the PSP was able to emulate gameboy games on the PSP within 2 weeks of the PSP even being exploited, Bleem for PC ran PS1 games well on its first ever release, the only reason it died was down to the developers attempting to sell it at retail. There have been numerous emulators released within the current-gen lifetimes of their console counterparts that have within a year of the initial release played most games very well. You are supposed to be a lifelong emulator user, act like it. |
I said clearly homeconsoles.
Bleem was out in 1999, 5 years after the PSX and the same year when Dreamcast was released, that year the generation was already over.
Chamkra is the exception, but it needed almost 6 years since the release of the console and it was released when it was long dead.
Now WiiU was released almost in 2013 and you say it will have a perfectly stable emulator on 2016 when not even x360 has it? I dont believe it.
| Goodnightmoon said: I said clearly homeconsoles. |
You said current gen, in 1999 PS1 was still current gen.
DC died extremely early, but that is besides the point, the emulator still made huge progress in a short time.
Yes, WiiU emulation will be playable within a year, for the same reason they have been able to decrypt and run retail games in the first ever release - because the software architecture is developmentally similar to the Wii and GC, thus all of the now decade old knowledge of the previous systems contributes towards the development of the WiiU emulator.
it is as simple as that.
Hynad said:
Why do you antagonize her like this? You are basically calling her a liar and try to discredit her because... ?? |
What the hell are you saying Hynad? Who was the firstto go ballistic in this discussion? It was me???
Of course...
| Goodnightmoon said: What the hell are you saying Hynad? Who was the firstto go ballistic in this discussion? It was me??? |
The post is super accurate though. :)
Tachikoma said:
The post is super accurate though. :) |
Oh yeah, you being emotional, childish and completely out of place for a mod there make my point about how unbiased and neutral you are stronger, that´s for sure, even more when you show that you feel clearly proud about it :D