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KingdomHeartsFan on 13 October 2015
Justagamer said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Your not gonna backtrack your way out of this, you didn't say make something else, you said make something good, please tell me how you know it wouldn't be good.


You lack reading comprehension skills, go back and read my  original post. Ifyou're not sharp enough to understand when I say, you already have mariokart, well, you can go in any direction you want, and have.  

You already have a kart game, make something else, make something good. Its great you want a bunch of kart games, kart it up! And, being as though that this is a forum of personal opinion, if i say diddy kong sucks, who the hell are you to argue? Especially about a game that doesnt exist.That would be my opinion.

I dont think it would suck, it would be more of the same, but you dont understand that, obviously. Sorry man, no amount of explaining what I said can make it clear to you. So I'll stop trying. How's that for backtracking? Lol

Lol now your just changing your stance, at least stick to one.  You clearly said it wouldn't be good, stop trying to backtrack.  



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Frogger on 13 October 2015
Soundwave said:
The thing with the Disney analogy is that Disney isn't selling a platform. I can pay my $9 at the movie theater to see Star Wars and never give a crap about any of their other animated films.

If Disney had their own proprietary movie disc format, and I could only get Star Wars or Marvel movies that way, but I had to pay $250 for the player, and the only other movies it ran were Disney animated movies that I have little/no interest in, I probably wouldn't buy the Disney player period.

I can see it from the POV of a consumer that doesn't really care for most of Nintendo's IPs ... why they don't just buy a Nintendo console because it happens to have maybe 1 or 2 titles that are interesting to them.


Why do you always reply without quoting?

I think that difference works as a benefit to Nintendo, rather than a detriment, though. The example you describe doesn't account for the ability to play third party software as well, which completely changes the value of the product. It also seems to imply that Disney couldn't get away with doing something like that when they absolutely could more than any other entertainment company that isn't Nintendo. You might not buy it, but those are powerful IP, and millions upon millions of people would, even if it was just Disney, Star Wars, and Marvel. If Disney, for example, entered an exclusive partneship with Apple, and the only hardware from now on where you could enjoy Disney movies and shows was on iTunes, the Apple TV would likely triple in sales, if not more. That's what Nintendo has, and that's how effective it could be if it does everything right.

The point is that it wouldn't just have one or two titles. It would have many exclusive titles. Those, along with all the multiplats, is what would get them to buy the hardware. There would be a wealth of both exclusives and multiplats that would, together, make the console more desirable. The exclusives are there to cultivate the audience for which the multiplats can thrive on, creating a new cycle of good third party support and a much wider audience demographic on Nintendo platforms.



Justagamer on 13 October 2015
KingdomHeartsFan said:
Justagamer said:


You lack reading comprehension skills, go back and read my  original post. Ifyou're not sharp enough to understand when I say, you already have mariokart, well, you can go in any direction you want, and have.  

You already have a kart game, make something else, make something good. Its great you want a bunch of kart games, kart it up! And, being as though that this is a forum of personal opinion, if i say diddy kong sucks, who the hell are you to argue? Especially about a game that doesnt exist.That would be my opinion.

I dont think it would suck, it would be more of the same, but you dont understand that, obviously. Sorry man, no amount of explaining what I said can make it clear to you. So I'll stop trying. How's that for backtracking? Lol

Lol now your just changing your stance, at least stick to one.  You clearly said it wouldn't be good, stop trying to backtrack.  

Your lack of reading comprehension is obvious, so we'll just leave it at that.



Frogger on 13 October 2015
AZWification said:

I really hope they aren't working on Diddy Kong Racing. Monster  is the perfect dev for that game!


Ideally, they'd be working on two games at the same time. The main team working on one project while a smaller team works with Monster on DKR. I do think DKR would benefit massively from Retro's input. Just imagining David Wize doing the soundtrack for that game along with Retro's artists makes me drool. Plus, they really need to nail the single player and open hub-world, which I think would obviously be right up Retro's alley.



Pavolink on 13 October 2015
SpokenTruth said:
Pavolink said:


"Many"...right.

6.5 million is a lot of 'many'.


5.5million were satisfied with one entry, I suppose...



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Miyamotoo on 13 October 2015
Nem said:
Miyamotoo said:

Because Wii U was bloody mess, all Nintendo decisions around Wii U were bad decisions expect great Nintendo games, with Wii U anything that could go wrong went wrong. Even if Nintendo dont report just half of those bad Wii U decisions with NX it will much bigger sucess, and Nintendo already adressed almost all Wii U mistakes and they will not repeat them.

Mistery!? They decided to move project on NX because it's more important to have strong game at beginning of new console life than have strong game at end of (bad selling) console life. Wii U has terrible launch games and pretty weak lineup of games in first year, they dont want to repeat same mistake with NX.


To the first point. The last Nintendo system was a sales failure. Why would the consumer jump into this one after they were burned with the Wii U? There has to be a twist like the motion controls for the Wii. The NX has no hope to catch up with the PS4 aswell, so its doomed to failure  already if you ask me. It probably won't even catch up to the X1.

3rd parties have lost faith in Nintendo. 3rd party games always sell badly on Nintendo systems... so i don't know how they will change policy without something important changing at Nintendo.

And yes, its a mistery. You believe that, but theres no way to be sure. Unless they have some crazy scheme, i think the NX will be a bigger failure than the Wii U.

We also seem to ignore the fact that the most logical thing is that the NX is a new portable... or even more likely just some health related thing as it was always revealed as the third pillar. System for Wii fit/dance software. 

By now thing may have morphed. Who knows...

-Same reason they didn't jump on Wii U after Wii being great success!? People buying console if they think its worth its price not if its last console was success or failure. NX doesnt need to catch up with PS4 or Xbox One, it will be probably be more like Wii, not competing head to head with PS4/Xbox One.

-About 3rd parties, its all about money not faith, if NX is selling good and they think they can sell their game on platform they will give some support.

-No it's not mystery, Retro start to work on new game in 2013, if they didn't show or still announced that game yet it's very likely NX game now.

-Do you realise that with Wii U Nintendo made so many huge mistakes that I think they can't repeat them even they want!? Wii U is Nintendo biggest failure, they can do what's necessary in order that next console be success (Wii come out after GC), and everything Nintendo said about Wii U and NX points that they are were aware about those mistakes and that they want repeat them with NX.

-Whatever is NX, It will be much bigger succes than Wii U.



Miyamotoo on 13 October 2015
spemanig said:
Miyamotoo said:

Diddy Kong Racing certainly would sell much much better than those and similar games, games like you mentioned doesn't sell very well on Nintendo platforms and thats fact, but Kart game with Nintendo characters are always one of the best selling game on any Nintendo platform.


Games like that don't sell very well on Nintendo consoles solely because they aren't exclusive, so there's always a better version on another console where there is a larger library of games that will appeal to someone who bought that game. It's not because of some impossible viability of those types of games on Nintendo platforms. A good, high budget game like that would empty stock everywhere. DKR would just sell its own software. The game I describe would sell its own software, third party software, and hardware to a completely different and prevalent audience of gamer Nintendo doesn't currently provide content for.

Metroid is good example, its exclusive and similar game to those games and never had great sales, it had only OK sales.



Nem on 13 October 2015
Miyamotoo said:
Nem said:
 


To the first point. The last Nintendo system was a sales failure. Why would the consumer jump into this one after they were burned with the Wii U? There has to be a twist like the motion controls for the Wii. The NX has no hope to catch up with the PS4 aswell, so its doomed to failure  already if you ask me. It probably won't even catch up to the X1.

3rd parties have lost faith in Nintendo. 3rd party games always sell badly on Nintendo systems... so i don't know how they will change policy without something important changing at Nintendo.

And yes, its a mistery. You believe that, but theres no way to be sure. Unless they have some crazy scheme, i think the NX will be a bigger failure than the Wii U.

We also seem to ignore the fact that the most logical thing is that the NX is a new portable... or even more likely just some health related thing as it was always revealed as the third pillar. System for Wii fit/dance software. 

By now thing may have morphed. Who knows...

-Same reason they didn't jump on Wii U after Wii being great success!? People buying console if they think its worth its price not if its last console was success or failure. NX doesnt need to catch up with PS4 or Xbox One, it will be probably be more like Wii, not competing head to head with PS4/Xbox One.

-About 3rd parties, its all about money not faith, if NX is selling good and they think they can sell their game on platform they will give some support.

-No it's not mystery, Retro start to work on new game in 2013, if they didn't show or still announced that game yet it's very likely NX game now.

-Do you realise that with Wii U Nintendo made so many huge mistakes that I think they can't repeat them even they want!? Wii U is Nintendo biggest failure, they can do what's necessary in order that next console be success (Wii come out after GC), and everything Nintendo said about Wii U and NX points that they are were aware about those mistakes and that they want repeat them with NX.

-Whatever is NX, It will be much bigger succes than Wii U.


The Wii really is an atypic system and while i understand how you can see that i have to disagree. The Wii was a sucess because of the casual gamers it brought in. I doubt the ammount of Hardcore gamers that bought it was much different than the GC and Wii U. It was just masked. This can be seen by software sales where a few titles sell crazy ammounts of copies (the casual popular) and the rest sell ridiculously low. That whole transition placed Nintendo behind the competition and when the Wii U came out, it was a full generation behind the competition, unable to atract hardcore gamers in droves and at the same time generating confusion and without the simple controls was unable to atract the casual croud aswell.

There is actually a thread here about software sales from all Nintendo systems and i already posted there than you can see a descending curve, with only the Wii beeing the atypic, odd one out. It was because with it, Nintendo capture the casual audience. It wasnt the same Millions that bought the NES back in the day. Those were core gamers. They shifted for other systems ever since.

2nd point i agree. But i dont see why customers would go in droves wanting to go buy the NX unless there is something impressive there.

3rd point. It is a mistery. I have to disagree with you. The NX is not a finalised system, we dont even know what it is. We do know that retro makes mostly home console games. If the NX isnt a home console, then your theory falls apart doesnt it? We can't forget that we DON'T know what the NX is.

I do agree with you that Nintendo can't repeat the same mistakes. But i don't see anything indicating they won't yet. It's a bit late to get back in the game now. It will require a huge investment and change of policies to get to the same point Sony and MS are on. Nintendo has proven to us that that isnt their strategy, and they have said time and again that it will still be that. The logical thing for them would be to appeal to the casuals again. I'm not sure if that is good or bad news as i wasnt a fan of the Wii.

As for the final point... as they say... never say never. I hope it is though.



Frogger on 13 October 2015
Miyamotoo said:

Metroid is good example, its exclusive and similar game to those games and never had great sales, it had only OK sales.


No, it's not. People need to stop saying that. Just because Samus is an adult and you shoot things doesn't mean it's at all similar to those games. It's a very obtuse (when it's good) franchise that is very demanding of the players intelligence and critical thinking to progress. It's a very methodical franchise that is far more of a cerebral experience than a fast-paced one. That kind of experience is extremely boring to a lot of people. Playing Metroid is like playing Dark Souls if the map was 5 times larger and the enemies are easy to kill.

The entire allure is getting lost in a giant, quiet, alien labyrinth and the idea of that is extremely boring to a lot of people, even when it's done expertly, so it's absolutely obviously why it doesn't get sales like those juggarnauts that are made to be easy, straight forward, and accessable by comparison.



Soundwave on 13 October 2015
spemanig said:
Miyamotoo said:

Metroid is good example, its exclusive and similar game to those games and never had great sales, it had only OK sales.


No, it's not. People need to stop saying that. Just because Samus is an adult and you shoot things doesn't mean it's at all similar to those games. It's a very obtuse (when it's good) franchise that is very demanding of the players intelligence and critical thinking to progress. It's a very methodical franchise that is far more of a cerebral experience than a fast-paced one. That kind of experience is extremely boring to a lot of people. Playing Metroid is like playing Dark Souls if the map was 5 times larger and the enemies are easy to kill.

The entire allure is getting lost in a giant, quiet, alien labyrinth and the idea of that is extremely boring to a lot of people, even when it's done expertly, so it's absolutely obviously why it doesn't get sales like those juggarnauts that are made to be easy, straight forward, and accessable by comparison.

Nintendo should've just signed a life time contract with the James Bond production company (EON) after the huge success of GoldenEye. That character is perfect and he's always "fun" but still appeals in a huge way to teenagers/adults as he's the iconic alpha male. 

And parents will shrug aside any/all violence and sexual inneundos from Bond because they grew up with Bond too so it's not something alien to them. 

He was really the perfect fit for the Nintendo brand of being cool/bad ass but not so far that it was like going from Mario to hyper-violent M-rated stuff like Devil's Third that just doesn't work for Nintendo.