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I know the training helps, but that article said 80 people die in the US every single day due to guns, and only 36 are homicides, which means 44 people are dying in the US every single day due to accidents. That's no good. More accidents than murders.



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The supreme court was put in place to decide if laws are constitutional, not to change the meaning of the constitution as times changed.

If the constitution is outdated, we have a process to change it, it is called an amendment. The founders knew that changes would be needed, and put a process in place to allow that to happen.


And The Ghost of RubangB:

Everyone one in America is poor, hungry and afraid? Compared to revolutionary times? Huh? If you think that Americans fear thier govenment now, what do you think the whole revolution was about, if not getting rid of an oppressive govenment that was 10 times worse that even the worse Bush Haters think that we have today. Not to mention the relative wealth we enjoy in American compared to what it was like in 1776.



Personally, I've always wondered what the hell would happen if the Supreme Court decided the Constitution meant only militias could have guns, and that individuals couldn't.

Would people really give up their guns in the age of the Patriot Act?  I think people with guns would essentially protest or shoot the people trying to take the guns away.

Its going to be interesting.  I don't like guns in theory, but in practice, the truth is if we ever had a truly power obsessed president, gun laws mean millions of americans would have the opportunity to shoot the bastard. 



People are difficult to govern because they have too much knowledge.

When there are more laws, there are more criminals.

- Lao Tzu

The main reason that individual people should have access to guns is something that one of the Founding Fathers (I don't recall which one at this time) said, "If a government becomes too oppressive, it is the responsibility of the people to overthrow that government and establish a new one... " but I botched that, at best that is a paraphrase.



I'll say the Supreme Court. The ammendments outlive one president and taking the rights of guns away from the people could certiantly screw over any way to stop the government should it get too opressive. Or at least annoy the crap out of it as it tried to keep up an occupation.



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Parokki said:
I find it a bit silly how people think the right to bear arms is inviolable due to the 2nd ammendment. That stuff was written over 200 years ago in a pre-industrial frontier society that had little or no law enforcements, and was under imminent threat of foreign invasion.

There are arguments for and against gun control, but some really smart guys saying this and that 200 years ago is a very bad one.

It doesn't matter when it was written.  The Constitution is the supreme document of law, and it supersedes everything else.  If we can all agree (two thirds of the house and senate, and three fourths of the states) that part of it is outdated, we can amend the Consititution to fix the outdated section.  But without such an Amendment, we must abide by what the Constitution says.  All the Supreme Court can do is decide on the precise meaning of the Constitution and whether or not a law is constitutional.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
I know the training helps, but that article said 80 people die in the US every single day due to guns, and only 36 are homicides, which means 44 people are dying in the US every single day due to accidents. That's no good. More accidents than murders.

 You're forgetting suicide.

You don't have manslaughter in the US though do you? Its a degree of murder? Otherwise that probably wouldn't be counted either. 



The Ghost of RubangB said:
I know the training helps, but that article said 80 people die in the US every single day due to guns, and only 36 are homicides, which means 44 people are dying in the US every single day due to accidents. That's no good. More accidents than murders.

Is that the government's problem or the 44 people who accidently shoo themselfs a day's problem.

More people die in car crashes, alcohol related deaths and a number of other things.



luinil said:
The main reason that individual people should have access to guns is something that one of the Founding Fathers (I don't recall which one at this time) said, "If a government becomes too oppressive, it is the responsibility of the people to overthrow that government and establish a new one... " but I botched that, at best that is a paraphrase.

 

That is part of the Declaration of Independence and from the philosophies of John Locke, who Jefferson used his ideas in the Dec. of Independence.

 The Supreme Court will make the right decision, and if it doesnt, then it will be overturned later on or Bush will just tell them he will not enforce it. Whatever the case, it really doesnt matter.


I doubt they will get rid of the right to own guns for individuals, they will most likely say that there can be limits on guns and the types out there. Remember the Supreme Court can interpret whatever way they want to.



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TheSource said:

Personally, I've always wondered what the hell would happen if the Supreme Court decided the Constitution meant only militias could have guns, and that individuals couldn't.

Would people really give up their guns in the age of the Patriot Act?  I think people with guns would essentially protest or shoot the people trying to take the guns away.

Its going to be interesting.  I don't like guns in theory, but in practice, the truth is if we ever had a truly power obsessed president, gun laws mean millions of americans would have the opportunity to shoot the bastard. 


 

Yes i agree i've always kinda thought it we did what some european contries do where only Detectives and Army have weapons. Would americans give up their weapons or would america destroy it self because of the crazy bastards at the NRA?

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