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Forums - General - Obama's Speech or Supreme Court on Gun Rights...which is more important?

Fuzzmosis said:
On a weird side note, why are the Tabloids in Canada running stories like:
Obama - His secret terrorist best friend!
Obama wants me dead for talking about our relationship! Gay rumours arise

Both are true covers I have seen, and I understand that politics is full of smear campaigns that are absolutely pathetic, but why the hell are they printing them in Canada as well?

 I wonder if any of the Canadian tabloids are part of News Corp. It publishes the worst toilet paper in the world like The Sun (UK) and The New York Post. It also owns FoxNews.

 



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ssj12 said:

They should just make it so that you have to take a gun course to own a gun. Simple as that.

 

plus you would probably give some people jobs as instructors so in turn it will assist unemployment.


This.

My friend has been hunting since has was 5, and he knows his guns. I didn't start hunting until I was in High School, with him (and I still do it only rarely), and during this time the two of us and maybe a few others would drive up to his camp in the woods, alone, and go hunting, or just shoot random stuff for the hell of it. During our trips if somebody pointed a gun at somebody else even once, my friend would beat the crap out of them, and wouldn't let them carry a gun for the rest of the trip.

Proper knowledge of gun safety is all that is necessary to prevent accidental deaths. Even immature high schoolers like us were just fine, because one of us knew what the hell he was doing, and knew just what guns are capable of.



Ban or control the guns. Guns can be bought too easily in the USA with no ID checks. Guns kill people. Guns should not be available for person's under the age of 18 years old and guns should not be sold to mentally unstabled people.



Rock_on_2008 said:
Ban or control the guns. Guns can be bought at supermarket with no ID checks. Guns kill people.

So that .22 sitting in my closet is going to suddenly pop up and shoot somebody on it's own?

And what supermarket do you live by? 

Personally, I believe that there should be limited controls placed on firearm owenership, but that they should by no means be banned.

I mean, if we're going to ban firearms, why not ban alcohol while we're at it?  A drunk driver is just as much if not more dangerous than a firearm.  Actually, since we've already established that people are not responsible for their actions, but the objects they use are, let's ban cars, as a car in the hands of either an intoxicated or sober person is extremely dangerous.



Oh. Also Rath. Your Wikipedia list is leaving out a few countries...

Well... most countries.

Like Israel. Which I do believe has more gun ownership and less restrictions.

It also has a hell of a lot more gun training... and much much lower violent crime rates.

Even lower crime rates then Japan.

Also, don't count out the Swiss. They have less guns per person but a much higher percentage of the population has guns. (I believe.)

Gun ownership is about 16% in the US. (90 guns per 100 people, only because Americans love to collect guns.)

Percentage of guns legally owned by the populace is a much better indicator then guns per 100 people.

While in Switzerland it's illegal to not have a gun if you are of the age of military service.

Edit: Switzerland's gun ownership is 20%

 



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^what do you think a place like Sierra Leone, or Rwanda maybe people just shouldn't have AK 47's.

Then again if they only had stones thats what they would use.



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Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.


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makingmusic476 said:
Rock_on_2008 said:
Ban or control the guns. Guns can be bought at supermarket with no ID checks. Guns kill people.

So that .22 sitting in my closet is going to suddenly pop up and shoot somebody on it's own?

And what supermarket do you live by?

Personally, I believe that there should be limited controls placed on firearm owenership, but that they should by no means be banned.

I mean, if we're going to ban firearms, why not ban alcohol while we're at it? A drunk driver is just as much if not more dangerous than a firearm. Actually, since we've already established that people are not responsible for their actions, but the objects they use are, let's ban cars, as a car in the hands of either an intoxicated or sober person is extremely dangerous.


Drunk drivers kill WAY more people then gun deaths... and those deaths unlike gun deaths aren't directly mostly at criminals only.

That's not even counting the people who kill someone by hand, or with a knife... or even a gun because they were drunk.

Beer has a much more negative effect on violent crime rates then guns.

 



Anything that takes away our right to do anything is bad.

Do I find it stupid that we have legalized drinking, but pot is illegal? Yes, I smoke weed, but do not drink, and drunk driving kills.

Do I want drinking made illegal? Hell no. If I want to get drunk and kill myself, it's my own right. If I get drunk and kill someone else, I better be ready to get my ass raped in Parchman state prison for the rest of my white-boy life.

Taking away our rights, and giving the government more control to nurture our citizens, is an attempt by the government to tell us how to live and act. That is never a good thing. For a bunch of liberals who have bitched about the government for the past 8 years, non-stop, you sure are quick to want to give the government more power.

You can't be a secular-progressive and a hippie, make up your minds. Guns kill people, yes, we have laws to punish and reform those who use those guns as tools of violence.

Guns protect people. Rarely, yes it happens, guns kill home intruders.

Should we take away cars because half the population is too crazy to drive one responsibily? Should we take away cars because they kill people, due to idiots using them when they are drunk?

Hell fucking no. We make people take license tests for them, and then if they do kill people, we make them responsible for their own actions and make sure they never do it again.

Nothing is perfect, we're not going to prevent crime, or death, or stupidity, and no set of numbers is worth giving up our liberty and freedom, something I would give my life to defend.

Debating it is a good release, also, this is an interesting topic.

Taking aways guns, where does it stop? Alcohol? Cigarettes? Private transportation?

Think of the millions of small business and gunshop owners your putting out of business by outlawing guns. Think of the illegal trade you'll be creating. Think of the lack of security that women feel walking down a dark alley, or the fear of the old man who lives along with an empty cubbord where his handgun used to be.

People will use guns, nothing will stop that.

The street gangs who shoot innocent bystanders in drivebys? Do you think they're shooting registered weapons? Do you think the gun ban will actually stop that violence? Maybe you think them having guns will give the police an excuse to lock them up? Don't you know they already lock them up if they have a gun on them? You think America won't have an underground gun trade? You think Americans will accept a law like this? Americans in Mississippi? Our country, America, has never been the type to follow along with secular-progressive thinking because of some ruling. We will buy guns BECAUSE of the ruling.

Do we lay down for our government?

I dunno, ask the protesters outside the White House. Ask the soldgers in Iraq. Ask the gang members in Harlem, ask the clan in Mississippi(My home state, btw), ask the self govermentalist in texas, ask the sec-progs in california who have marijuana in vending machines, ask the fishermen of washington, ask the common man of Iowa. Go tell them the supreme court ruling, tell them its time to lay down and obey.

Don't you see that's what makes this country so great. We're so diverse, a melting pot, and we stand together in a simple fact. Nobody is going to circumvent our freedom, and persuit of happiness. We were born with certain unaliable rights, and nobody, not even our own government who acknowledged that bestowment of rights upon us, will tell us otherwise.



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Soft gun laws in US has resulted in thousands of people being murdered by crazed people with guns. Does the USA need another school massacre ala Columbine in 1999 or Michigan Uni in 2007. Countless other massacres have occurred in US schools and on the streets over the years.