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archer9234 said:

And Nintendo had a patent for this.

It never happened.

There hasn't been significant new hardware since that patent. It still can. Either way, it doesn't matter. That's a way more experimental patent than something as deliberate as removing a disc drive and going digital only.



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PAOerfulone said:

And how did the people react, might I ask?


It was poorly executed, so that doesn't prove anything. Even I was against the OG XBO. Doesn't help your point at all. If the original iPod was just a CD player that deleted your music off your CDs after you used it and didn't allow people to listen to their music or use their device at all if they didn't have an internet connection for more than 24 hours, people would have flipped their shit at that, too.

But it didn't, so they didn't. Same with NX. Let's not pretend that focusing on digital is what killed the OG XBO, because it wasn't.



Ruler said:

its discless patent and not digital only

 


The patent specifically references that digital software would help raise profits and make the console cheaper. It is digital only.



SpokenTruth said:

They have patents for hundreds of things that are never utilized in a device.  Same as all tech companies.


They will be the last to go digital only.  


Nope the first, next year. None as delibarate as removing an entire disk from your hardware. The patents that go untouched are frivolous experiments, not integral design changes.



PAOerfulone said:

I think I got this one!
People vastly prefer physical because they actually, physicall OWN the game themselves and they can do whatever they want with it. (Sell it again to a friend or lend it to them. - That's what I did with Sonic Generations.) Also, this may be just me, but I love the box art of all those games, I think they look really cool!

And offering both is the way to go because it gives more options to the consumer and to the gamer as to what they want to go with.

Yes, indeed. There are pros and cons to both. It is just some unique users have trouble understanding other viewpoints. As a psych student you must across as a term for adults who have trouble with empathetic beahvior. That is the problem here. 

I think in street talk terms it is something like, head being shoved so far up their ass. 



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I will always support physical over digital, when it's available. I'll even gladly pay more money for a physical release, than i wll a digital.



And if it's digital only, guess where my wallet and money is going? To the physical PS4 or Xbox One.



They like to work with devs.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

You, yourself, felt the need to bring it up, and why did you?
Because, it was clearly a factor that played into the OG Xbox One's downfall, that's why.
Used games policy that force new games and digital down people's throats.

And the vast majority of gamers CLEARLY prefer physical.
Spem, you are THE ONLY person I have seen both in public and on the entire internet, who is ok with this idea of an all-digital system.
Everyone else is dead set against the idea. And let me tell you why, for one reason.
So, get off your love affair and high horse with your digital preference and think for one minute
An all-digital system is alienating that entire vast majority of gamers who prefer physical, and will get physical if they have the chance.
That is their preference, that is their choice as consumers and as gamers, do you honestly think that it is a good idea to take that preference, and that choice, away from them? When there are 2 other console makers that DO give them that choice, you know what they're gonna do, they're gonna say "Fuck you, Nintendo, I'm going with Sony or Microsoft!"
Nintendo, has a whole lot more to lose than they do to gain if they go all-digital with the NX, for that simple reason. And they are in a position right now where they cannot afford to have another failed system, with the handheld market being pushed out the door by smartphones, and is evidenced by the declining sales of the 3DS/Vita as compared to previous generations.
And aside from the NES, SNES, and Wii, Nintendo hasn't had much success in the console business. Their entire hardware devision is hanging in the balance, they are RIDING on NX being a success.
And will alienating the majority of gamers, whom prefer physical, honestly help make that happen?



green_sky said:

He could spam thread after thread faster than Spurgie admitting that he was wrong. Yet it won't make up for months and months of reading his monotone digital love affair posts. Big problem is that he doesn't even understand why people like physical media or that offering both is the way to go. 

OT: Sure man, Sony da best. I make your day. 


I won't be wrong, so there's nothing to make up for. I do understand why people like physical media, but those people will either get over it, or get something else. But more of them then now will just get over it and, better yet, prefer digital media for their objective benefits over physical. Offering both is not "the way to go" as it severely limits what can be done on a unified platform not tied to hardware when your software is physically tied to hardware. It's not happening. The smartphone revolution would have never happened with physical media, and the NX redefinition of a gaming platform won't happen with physical media. Literally everything they've been saying and doing since January of 2014 was leading up to a digital only platform. Half of what they've been saying makes absolutely no sense with a physical media-based console.

The membership program doesn't work with physical rewards for a platform that plays one game across multiple devices. Unless you think they're going to print you coupons based on your purchasing habits on the game you can return after you get the coupon and never play again. Unless you think they're going to overhere your conversation that you recommended a game to a friend, and their for qualify for a printable NX coupon to use in stores. Playing one game on both the portable and handheld makes is ungraceful, unreasonable, and expensive on a unified platform tied to accounts instead of hardware that uses physical media. Physical media completely undermines the idea that the membership program, which is already confirmed to be a digital program, will form the core of the NX platform. It can't be the core of anything if the audience is segregated to those who reap its benefits and those who don't. Miyamoto says here:

"So, particularly with digital downloads now and the idea that you're downloading the right to play a game, that opens up the ability to have multiple platform digital downloads where you can download on one and download on another. Certainly from a development standpoint there is some challenge to it, because if you have two devices that have different specs and you're being told to design in a way that the game runs on both devices, then that can be challenging for the developer—but if you have a more unified development environment and you're able to make one game that runs on both systems instead of having to make a game for each system, that's an area of opportunity for us."

That the genesis of the NX "play one game on multiple devices" comes only because the emergence of digital downloads and that the whole idea of a unified plaform at all is a digital one. That directly contradicts the NX supporting physical media. The entire unified platform is a digitally based one, from not being tied to hardware, to running the same OS across multiple form factors, to account based relationships, to flexible pricing on digital purchases, to a focus on the eshop, the Nintendo Network, and the market place, to the entire membership program, none of that is possible to the extent Nintendo has been describing on a device that supports physical media.

Compromise stifles progress. You don't compromise progress. You just progress. Nintendo won't compromise. Not on digital media.