So they'll be as successful as STEAM without having any of the back library that makes STEAM successful in the first place because ... the user interface (which you are assuming based on nothing) is going to be so wicked amazing? You do realize too that companies like Microsoft and Apple actually invest *billions* of dollars in their OS right? Little Nintendo is going to show them up by investing a fraction of that?

That aside, actually if they want to do the STEAM route, then grow some balls Nintendo and do it. Do it full stop though. 

Make basically a "PC Box" just with your service (instead of Valve's) that has a PC CPU + GPU which can run all existing PC games. Then you easily throw a Wii U chip in there too to ensure backwards compatibility. 

Now you can start a shop on that hardware where developers can take their existing PC games (hundreds and thousands of them) and you can say to them "hey sell this through our store, if it sells through our eShop, we get a $5-$8 cut per download, you have no porting costs, so no downside for you."

THAT would be a legit game changer, because as a developer literally I don't even have to "port" my game to this system. It already works on it, so if some Nintendo fans want to buy it, hey, more sales for me even if its like only 10,000 extra sales. *That* I could see working and that would be a legitimately bold step. Unfortunately like I said, I don't think Nintendo would go there. Maybe they'd flirt with the idea, but then chicken out or get hamstrung by some ass backwards old timers on their board of directors that wouldn't like it because it's not Japanese enough of an idea. 

I actually like the idea of Nintendo becoming like STEAM, but I mean full on like STEAM. Not a half assed compromise with none of the games.

If they got AMD to make a cheap, low cost 14nm equivalent to the Wii U processor (which will probably be like $20 tops) and threw that into a box with a X86 processor + relatively off-the-shelf AMD modern GPU ...

That would theoretically be able to run every single Nintendo and PC game ever made and more importantly every PC game already in development.

That means Nintendo could have thousands of games overnight, because developers wouldn't have to port anything. The games would already work.

That's kind of a genius idea. Add in that maybe the new 14nm Wii U type chip maybe can also run/emulate Android apps, and the library such a device could have would be staggering.

THAT would be cool. That would be a legit game changer.

No convincing, wrestling third parties to make games for your system, no "wait and see" from developers, their games are already working on the system from day 1. That's brilliant. Then between the console/handheld, since they could use that same Nintendo chip at least they could both share Nintendo games, but the console would have every PC game too (well mostly). 

That would also take a giant shit on the STEAM Box concept since Nintendo could sell their hardware at cost (they'd still make money selling their own games), so no STEAM Box manufacturer would realistically be able to compete on price and they wouldn't have Nintendo games on their box either. 

As much as I love debating with you, (I'm not being sarcastic. You're one of my favorite users here.) we're way off topic.

If they got AMD to make a cheap, low cost 14nm equivalent to the Wii U processor (which will probably be like $20 tops) and threw that into a box with a X86 processor + relatively off-the-shelf AMD modern GPU ...That would theoretically be able to run every single Nintendo and PC game ever made and more importantly every PC game already in development.

That means Nintendo could have thousands of games overnight, because developers wouldn't have to port anything. The games would already work. GTAV? Works. The Witcher III? Works. Metal Gear Solid V? That works. Super Mario Galaxy 2? Works. Mario Kart 8? Works. Splatoon? Works. Day 1. No problem. 

That's kind of a genius idea. Add in that maybe the new 14nm Wii U type chip maybe can also run/emulate Android apps, and the library such a device could have would be staggering. THAT would be cool. That would be a legit game changer.

No convincing, wrestling third parties to make games for your system, no "wait and see" from developers, their games are already working on the system from day 1. That's brilliant. Then between the console/handheld, since they could use that same Nintendo chip at least they could both share Nintendo games, but the console would have every PC game too (well mostly).

So the Nintendo console and handheld would use Windows + DirectX? Otherwise only a fraction of PC games would run. No GTA V, no Witcher 3, no MGS V, no CoD, no Assassin's Creed, no Tomb Raider, no FIFA...

I don't need to think anything through. Nintendo will be able to have a new system out every two years because it will have no negative impact on their platform or their audience. It would be absolutely ludacris to do that on platforms like the PS4 and XBO that are so tied to their hardware. If the PS5 and XB2 came out tomorrow, you just fucked over 30m consumers who can't play your next game. When the NX does the same thing, that won't happen, because the platform is completely independant of the hardware. They could release a new hardware skew every day for a year and they'd all be able to play the same game, just at different setting. The PS360 were outdated for years before they got replaced, and were still selling well into the current generation. Nobody cares if they're outdated if devs are still making games for them, which they will, because they'll have no other significant alternative. No one but PC gamers, who will forever be cursed to have their games limited to what consoles far weaker than them can do.

The Wii U was the most poweful console on the market when it released, so if that's what you're getting at, that's a moot point. The 360 was the most powerful console on the market when it released, and then the much weaker Wii destroyed it. Being stronger has absolutely nothing do do with the PS2 selling. If anything, being a cheap DVD player is what sold it. Can't even take your "don't count the Wii" weaseling seriously. Your example works outside of the twenty cases when they don't, but those can't count.

The NX isn't targeted at current PS4 and XBO owners to upgrade. It's targeted at the other 100m who won't have upgraded yet. And most won't care that it's a little weaker, just like all the XBO owners who don't care that the XBO is weaker. It'll be powerful enough to get multiplats, and it'll have the boosted library of first party games. And, well and above all that, it'll have the system selling "smart console" platform ecosystem. People will have plenty of reason to jump onto NX.

I'm gonna repeat it again, very debatable. You can't handwave away Nintendo's IP like they aren't part of their brand. They are. That's like saying Disney isn't a powerful brand if you don't count Marvel and Star Wars and Pirates and Cinderella and Mickey Mouse and The Lion King and... That's stupid. Pokemon isn't a "separate brand." Nintendo owns Pokemon. They own the IP. They own the copyrights for all the species. They own TPC. The only thing they don't own is Gamefreak. The absolutely ridiculous idea that there's even a significant minority of people who don't know that Pokemon or Mario are Nintendo is grounds to end this discussion right here, because now you're flat out making shit up. Gameboy is Nintendo. You're literally making shit up to push your point. Again, Playstation could absolutely never, in its current state, hope to do with it's brand the kinds of thing Nintendo can do with its brand right now, at its lowest point in its history as a gaming publisher. In fact, Playstation, in its highest point in the PS2 era, couldn't hope to do any more than a tiny fraction of what Nintendo can do with its brand right now at its lowest point as a console manufacturer. Playstation World doing better than Nintendo World? Give me a break. An Uncharted movie doing better than a Mario movie? Or a Pokemon movie? Even a lower tier franchise like a Metroid movie? Yeah, right. But I'm sure a Sony line of figurines would absolutely destroy Amiibo. I'm so sure.

I've already explained why it's so revolutionary. Like I said, I don't blame you for not understanding something you've never seen before when you're reading it on an online forum. But on your point of how they're stuck in the stone age with their current UI and OS, they've never tried before. No one in the console space has. No one, especially not Nintendo, has ever tried to change a console platform like this before. But now they want to. Asking how they'll be able to do it when they've never done it before is like asking, pre-Wii era, how they'll be the poineers of motion gaming when motion gaming on the GCN sucks. It's silly. They never even attempted to have a modern, forward thinking OS. Now they are. They've never attempted to have a modern online infrastructure. Now they are. That's why they payed $100m to have a controlling stake in a company who's entire MO is doing this kind of stuff.

Sony will get there. Streaming isn't there yet and PS Now's library will take years upon years before it becomes large enough to be a competing factor. But it will get there, and that's what they'll eventually replace the PS4 with when it does. But that's for another topic. Sony likely didn't go the smart console route because they hadn't thought of it. Or because, given their poor performance with other smart devices they actually tried with, didn't see it as a neccesary risk given how poorly those did. And they were right, obviously, since the competition didn't try it, and the PS4 is selling like a titan. Doesn't mean it can't be done, though, lol. The Blackberry was the Blackberry until there was the iphone. PS Now and this aren't the same thing at all. If anything, PS Now/Gamespy would be nothing more than apps contributing to the bigger idea of a smart console, like Netflix or Spotify on a smart phone.

Your opinion on whether or not it is a revolution is absolutely you own and valid, but Nintendo absolutely is sure that this thing is a revolution. There's no questioning that. Nintendo is 100% confident that this concept will utterly redefine what it means to be a video game console, which is exactly what Apple did when it redefined what it means to be a cellphone with the iPhone.

George Lucas or whatever wasn't even remotely as critical of Nintendo as I am, if he was at all. I have overwhelmingly more bad things to say about them than good. I'm not saying this stuff because I'm some crazed fan - I'm saying it because it's blatantly obvious. And I've been saying the exactly the same kinds of things with Sony and PS Now and Microsoft with Window 10. They are the future of traditional platform gaming, and all three will be massively successful. Playstation is going to make a killing of PS Now absolutely eliminating the need to sell physical consoles anymore, Microsoft have enough brand power to make Steam obsolete with their Windows 10 XBL platform while still appealing to what used to be the traditional console gamer with Steam Machine-like hardware that will actually be successful, and the NX is going propel itself as one of the most foreward thinking consoles ever made. The only reason I bring up the NX more is because, unlike the other two, this thing is coming out next year.

There's no way it's going to be a regular console. That "gut feeling" you have is the countless articles and patents literally confirming that it will not be a regular console. Also, I'm not saying that it won't be more powerful than the PS4. I just am like 80% sure it won't be, because it definitely doesn't need to be, and Nintendo will likely be very happy with the prospects of being "affordable" for the launch NX rather than being more powerful. It'll be "crazy" in that it'll have stuff like a digital only platform and the home console will retain the second screen and the whole firmware focus thing. It just won't be "crazy" in the "you control the game with your feel" kind of way.

But there's absolutely 100% no way in holy hell it's playing every multiplat in 1080p 60fps, not even if it's twice as powerful as the PS4. Put that dream to rest. This isn't PC land.