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sc94597 said:
Jumpin said:
Voting Donald Trump is economic suicide, the US will become the new Greece. No one is going to bail you out if your country votes on committing suicide like that.

If the U.S goes down everything else is going with it or has already gone. Don't think anybody would be in any position to bail the U.S out. It would be the second Great Depression.

No it wouldn't, the economy is far more stable than it was in the times leading up to the great deperession. Countries that manage and regulate their economies well are relatively immune to that sort of thing. It is countries who don't have proper regulations in place that get hit the hardest when economic collapse occurs.

Trump wants to deverely defund the public of their money, so that wealthy people can run things. This is the sort of thing that leads to an unstable economy that ultimately ends in recession and depression. This is why the less regulated economies were hurt badly in the last recession, and the more regulated economies came out with only scratches.



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The problem with Trump is that he has no plans. I actually think this is comedy gold for him because anytime he is asked what he will do about any major issue he just says "Whatever I do its going to be wonderful". Anytime he is challenged on any major issue he just throws a personal attack. The debate was a complete joke for him and anyone who wasn't paying attention would have seen just how empty, unprepared he is. It would be a total disaster if Trump wins the Republican primary because going on the national stage as he is now would be a joke.



pokoko said:
I'm tempted. I want to see how people react when they learn he can't actually do most of his campaign promises.

Sounds kinda like the current POTUS...



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Jumpin said:
sc94597 said:
Nem said:
 

What can happen? Crisis, war, racism, poverty, etc. These arent things you do to "just to see what happens". It's irresponsible and cruel.

I think the separation of powers and dual sovereignty federalism do a great deal to prevent a "hitler" in the U.S. Too many different positions and none of them have any unbalanced authority over the other. So it shouldn't be a big deal to be honest.

A U.S president doesn't determine whether or not a country will be impoverished. Racism is primarily a cultural phenomena. 

In the U.S system war has been something which it seems the legislative branch has relaxed its authority over, and consequently it has become solely a presidential/executive decision. Unfortunately that is an area that is a huge issue, but as bad as Trump is he isn't the worst candidate as far as warhawkiness goes (I personally think Jeb, Cruz, and a few others would be worst.)

So far the best people running for President seem to be Hillary Clinton and Bern Sanders. The rest that I have seen are all thoroughly insane.

Hillary Clinton is a same-old same old moderate. Would be the same as Bush and Obama. Not interesting.

Bernie Sanders is a typical European politician in policy, and is promising more than he can bite off. Not necessarily interesting to Americans who realize Europe has its own problems caused by the same policies Bernie is espousing. The only thing I agree with Bernie Sanders more than with any other candidate is the reduction of the military-industrial complex to nothing. But even he doesn't go far enough. There should be no standing military, in my opinion.

Honestly there isn't any candidate who is good in any political system who also lasts very long in said system. It is always a vote for which individual will do the least harm along side their special interest. I usually vote for the situation that makes it hard for sociopaths to maintain political power. Having said that, I will probably vote for Rand Paul in the Republican primary as I think his father will keep him straight if he were to win, and he doesn't take a lunatic stance on social issues, is excellent on drug-war policy and policy reform, and is fiscally frugal. Also he isn't much of a war-hawk when compared to even moderate Democrats like Hilary and Obama, let alone the GOP lunatics. 

Reasons why I won't vote for somebody:

1. They are a career politican. Sorry, I don't view politics as a legimate occupation. It is something to do in addition to your real - productive - occupation choice. Not to mention that career politicians are the most self-involved and self-interested of them all.

2. They want to restrict my ability to decide my own decisions for my own life choices: whether that be economic or personal. They also want to restrict my economic and life choices through barriers of entry and pigeovian taxes/fines.

3. They want to spend my money or take in huge amounts of debt in my name to fund their special interests at my detriment, with no interest in repaying that debt.

4. They pander to a specific group or groups of people, and only them: big business, minorities, women, poor people, middle-class, etc, etc. The candidate should be well-versed in all individuals, and when they focus on a group they forget that within each group there are different entities. Additionally, many politicians are only interested in their specific groups and fuck everyone else.



The funny thing about Trump is that Republicans / conservatives like him because he panders to them and Democrats / liberals hate him because he panders to the "other" party. But in reality though, Donald Trump, if you look at his actual history, is pretty moderate and is basically the business world's version of Bill Clinton, and if President would very likely run the country the way a Clinton-type Democrat would've in the 90s, trying to wheel and deal (or "triangulate" in political terms if you will) with both parties to get deals done.

He's all about himself and his career, and is also a womanizer and loves it when they're on their knees... not unlike our 42nd president whom Democrats and liberals still adore to this day.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

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Jumpin said:
sc94597 said:
Jumpin said:
Voting Donald Trump is economic suicide, the US will become the new Greece. No one is going to bail you out if your country votes on committing suicide like that.

If the U.S goes down everything else is going with it or has already gone. Don't think anybody would be in any position to bail the U.S out. It would be the second Great Depression.

No it wouldn't, the economy is far more stable than it was in the times leading up to the great deperession. Countries that manage and regulate their economies well are relatively immune to that sort of thing. It is countries who don't have proper regulations in place that get hit the hardest when economic collapse occurs.

That is a blissful view, but unfortunately far from reality. They are stable while all of their risks and costs are subsidized. WIthout the U.S, Europe would need to secure its own national-defense, its own supplementary fossil fuels, accomodate for the huge gap missing in American consumers buying products, etc, etc. Even if a country like Germany can withstand this, countries like France, UK, and the PIGS will be massively downturned, putting the burden on Germany (and countries like it) to carry them. I can only see the Scandinavian states and Switzerland lasting and coping well, and that is because they are homogenous and have reserve resources, as well as generally free markets with low barriers of entry, plus they aren't as connected with the U.S economy as the rest of Europe is.



sc94597 said:
askel50 said:
Aeolus451 said:


Higher minimum wages = higher prices or less work hours or both. 


That isn't true. As you said minimum wage it's barely a wage meant to keep you alive without working like a slave (it's $5/h in US if I'm not wrong, it's already very low, in germany is 25€ with better welfare than the US).

If you lower the min. wage the poor will have to work more to stay alive, it won't affect prices because they will buy the same, just the things they HAVE to buy either way if they don't want to die.

1. The minimum wage in the U.S is $7.25 /hour for any job that doesn't rely on tips.

2. If one were to lower the minimum wage, wages likely would not go lower because the equillibrium wage in most markets is unbounded by the minimum wage (in other words, the equillibrium wage is above the minimum wage.)

3. Minimum wage laws do four things according to most empirical data:

a. They make more unskilled workers unemployed. Why hire an unskilled worker for $7.25 /hour when you can hire plenty of skilled workers/more skilled workers who can take that job? This creates a barrier of entry for unskilled workers to gain skills. Often the effect is that they go the path of an unpaid internship or remain unemployed.

b. It creates an exodus of unskilled workers to places with lower minimum wages, as they can find employment in said places and the cost of living is generally less (not because the minimum wage increased prices, but because places that institute minimum wages have higher costs of living from the start.) However if the poor people leave, then the net buyer's willingness to pay for basic necessities increases because rich people/middle-class people are willing to spend more. This gives flexibility to increase the price of goods, making it even more detrimintal for those poor who stay.

c. It increases average wages marginally. Usually the difference in average wages is something like 5-15%, but it does occur. With the increase to cost of living, and the possibility of losing jobs, I don't know if it is worth it.

d. It makes many businesses, particularly those in very competitive industries close down, due to high maintenence costs. If you are paying all of your employees $500 per day at minimum wage. And the minimum wage increases by 30%, then you will now pay your employees 500 + 150 = $650 / day. That racks up to another $54,000/year for wages. That could be the total profit a small business owner makes for himself/herself. Meaning they must do one of two things. Either lay off workers so that they can keep their wages at $500 per day or close their business and find work elsewhere.

If you want to read an empirical study on this issue, here you go:

http://www.columbia.edu/~jm3364/Minimum_Wage_and_Space.pdf

 

*Please note that the cost of living varies greatly in the U.S. I would likely be able to live the same basic life (necessities) in West Virginia that I do in San Fransisco for five times less the cost.


If the equillibrium wage in most markets is unbounded by the minimum wage I see no reason to lower it. The truth is that there are some jobs that rely on minimum wage. Usually the jobs held by less skilled people, those people that Trump calls "losers". The government of a civlized country must make sure that all workers (even the unskilled ones) have dignity, and you can't have digniy at $3/h. That's the reason why in europe most countries have a minimum wage around €20/h or more. It's better to have unemployed people that to rely on slavery to keep the business going.



KingdomHeartsFan said:

He's an idiot, idk how he's getting any support.

Because a great deal of the people in the nation are idiots.



Ask stefl1504 for a sig, even if you don't need one.

This is a no brainer, Trump has my vote.



This cracked.com article is pretty decent. It's a long-ish read, but has some good content contained within.http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-comparing-donald-trump-to-hitler-makes-perfect-sense/



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