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This thread honestly made me very disappointed in the community here. I can't believe how racist xenophobic and Islamophobic people are here. Many of the Syrians are only fleeing their country because they have to to survive. Also, I know many Muslims where I live and life is fine here. Us treating them with hate and disgust is exactly what will make them become extreme; on the other hand, treating them with kindness and compassion will let them integrate more easily preventing extremism. Also, it is not the illegal immigrants that are at fault for our economic position, it is rich businessmen that refuse to give more than they have to, having billions of dollars in the bank that they will never use while many people are struggling to pay for food. Also we should view Syrians as citizens of the world, instead of thinking "oh we're not responsible for them!" We are in a world of increasing globalization so that train of thought makes no sense.



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contestgamer said:
SuperNova said:


And why should Turkey/Jordan/Egypt etc shoulder the burden of millions of refugees alone? What have they done, other than being located next to Syria? Why are they resposible?

And for how long is it ok for the refugees to stay in giant Tent camps, with no decernable perspective of having a normal life again? A few months? A couple of years? A decade? Until they know nothing else but the ghetto they grew up in?

The utter lack of sypathy for human tradegy and the reality of the situation displayed in your post is franky appalling.

I bet if war broke out in your country due to your entire region being destabilized by forces outside of your control. Forces that were out for nothing other than that sweet sweet oil/random valuable I might add. You would be trying to survive. You would be asking for help. And you would probably be infuriated by a statement like the one you just made.


They'll remain in the camps as long as they have to. Better than going back to Syria right? Countries are meant for their own people. As unfortunate as the refugee crisis is, it's not something that should be a concern to our countries. A countries concern should always be its own citizens - that's the point of living in a country.  Our western countries werent built in one day and without blood and sacrifice. These young male refugees instread of running should be fighting for their country. Sympathy shouldnt dictate policy, pure national interest should only.

Well in that case, Europe should call America and Australia, and take it's millions upon millions of refugees back. And those were of the extra filthy kind too, there wasn't even a war of anything going on in europe at the time, they were just poor and saw no other way but to go across the ocean in search of a better life. Filthy assholes should have just dealt with the cards life dealt them. But I guess it's fine if you steal a country from people that have less military denfense than you right?

By that logic no one should ever immigrate anywhere no matter the circumstances or how beneficial it might be for the country to have someone immigrate to them, because countries are for their own people.

Nevermind that Countries and borders are arbetrairy concepts that we decide upon, sometimes as recently as 25 years ago.

Also you completely disregarded my question why it Should be Turkeys/Jordans/Egypts concern but not ours.

And these young male refugees? They have no weapons or military training whatsoever, but yeah of course they should be running into their sure death instead of trying to save their families.

I'm sorry to say, you're not making sense.



Considering they are migrating as a result of things america and some of eu did a few years back, they deserve to be homed by the ones that caused their countries demise. Why should people be forced to fight a victoriless war??



JWeinCom said:
NightDragon83 said:
JWeinCom said:
NightDragon83 said:

Wow, you mean all those Syrians go directly next door before they go anywhere else?  No kidding!

The point of the meme was that despite being relatively safe in neighboring countries like Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan etc. as compared to their war ravaged homeland, many Syrian "refugees" (I put that in quotes because there are plenty of other migrants that are part of the waves traveling to Europe that aren't of Syrian origin) choose to advance onward to Europe, specifically Germany for obvious reasons, rather than stick things out at their neighbors' places... who  aren't exactly welcoming their Syrian brethren in with open arms i might add.

And that graphic you posted is even more interesting because of all the big fat zeroes over the Arab states in the Gulf region.  Explain why Europe, the US, or anyone else for that matter should take in a single refugee when none of those states, some of whom play a big role in the current state of affairs in the ME (looking at you, Saudi Arabia), refuse to take any refugees whatsoever?

Why should we make our decisions in the US based on what Saudi Arabia does?

Why should we make our decisions in the US (and the Western world in general) based on a photo of one dead kid that the media exploited to guilt people into eschewing our immigration laws and blindly accepting hundreds of thousands of refugees, many of whom aren't even of Syrian origin and are being exploited themselves by smugglers and identity fraudsters looking to make a quick buck off their European staycations?


Why are you making a strawman argument instead of answering the question?  You made the claim that Saudi Arabia's actions are relevant to what we should do.  Why?

Because it's not about what we should or shouldn't do... it's about why the onus gets put on western countries to do something about it when other nations that are closer and have an even greater stake in the future of Syria (see Qatar and Saudi Arabia's proposed oil pipelines that would run through Syria, but there's this little matter of Assad being allied with Russia and against said pipelines) get a pass from the rest of the world?



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Wow, Trump is such a genius! He always speaks the truth. /s



                
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NightDragon83 said:
JWeinCom said:
NightDragon83 said:
JWeinCom said:
NightDragon83 said:

Wow, you mean all those Syrians go directly next door before they go anywhere else?  No kidding!

The point of the meme was that despite being relatively safe in neighboring countries like Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan etc. as compared to their war ravaged homeland, many Syrian "refugees" (I put that in quotes because there are plenty of other migrants that are part of the waves traveling to Europe that aren't of Syrian origin) choose to advance onward to Europe, specifically Germany for obvious reasons, rather than stick things out at their neighbors' places... who  aren't exactly welcoming their Syrian brethren in with open arms i might add.

And that graphic you posted is even more interesting because of all the big fat zeroes over the Arab states in the Gulf region.  Explain why Europe, the US, or anyone else for that matter should take in a single refugee when none of those states, some of whom play a big role in the current state of affairs in the ME (looking at you, Saudi Arabia), refuse to take any refugees whatsoever?

Why should we make our decisions in the US based on what Saudi Arabia does?

Why should we make our decisions in the US (and the Western world in general) based on a photo of one dead kid that the media exploited to guilt people into eschewing our immigration laws and blindly accepting hundreds of thousands of refugees, many of whom aren't even of Syrian origin and are being exploited themselves by smugglers and identity fraudsters looking to make a quick buck off their European staycations?


Why are you making a strawman argument instead of answering the question?  You made the claim that Saudi Arabia's actions are relevant to what we should do.  Why?

Because it's not about what we should or shouldn't do... it's about why the onus gets put on western countries to do something about it when other nations that are closer and have an even greater stake in the future of Syria (see Qatar and Saudi Arabia's proposed oil pipelines that would run through Syria, but there's this little matter of Assad being allied with Russia and against said pipelines) get a pass from the rest of the world?


Well, yes it is about what we should or shouldn't do.  Which is why your question started with "Explain why Europe, the US, or anyone else for that matter should".  You're repeatedly trying to change the subject by adding in details like Russia and Qatar.

I certainly agree that nations like Saudi Arabia and UAE should be doing much more.  However, if they refuse to do so, why should that have any bearing on how the US should handle the refugees?  This is like the child in school that is caught doing something and says "well Billy is doing it to."

Whether or not you agree that we should take in refugees, do you think we should or shouldn't do so based on Saudia Arabia's actions?  If not, then we agree.  



fireburn95 said:
Considering they are migrating as a result of things america and some of eu did a few years back, they deserve to be homed by the ones that caused their countries demise. Why should people be forced to fight a victoriless war??

I must've missed the part where the US and its European allies bombed and invaded Syria.

On the other hand, the whole "Arab Spring" thing that was backed by Obama and Hillary and saw the destabilization and further radicalization of several Middle Eastern nations like Libya, Egypt and... surprise surprise... Syria back in 2011, is another matter entirely.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Um, Trump? You've already earned the title of International Village Idiot. You did it. You can stop talking now.



JWeinCom said:
NightDragon83 said:
 

Because it's not about what we should or shouldn't do... it's about why the onus gets put on western countries to do something about it when other nations that are closer and have an even greater stake in the future of Syria (see Qatar and Saudi Arabia's proposed oil pipelines that would run through Syria, but there's this little matter of Assad being allied with Russia and against said pipelines) get a pass from the rest of the world?


Well, yes it is about what we should or shouldn't do.  Which is why your question started with "Explain why Europe, the US, or anyone else for that matter should".  You're repeatedly trying to change the subject by adding in details like Russia and Qatar.

I certainly agree that nations like Saudi Arabia and UAE should be doing much more.  However, if they refuse to do so, why should that have any bearing on how the US should handle the refugees?  This is like the child in school that is caught doing something and says "well Billy is doing it to."

Whether or not you agree that we should take in refugees, do you think we should or shouldn't do so based on Saudia Arabia's actions?  If not, then we agree.  

We agree neither Saudia Arabia's nor any other nation's actions in the ME do not determine ours.  But we're going around in circles here.

The point of this whole argument, and the issue with respect to how we treat refugees displaced due to policial turmoil or war in general, is why does the west have to throw out all laws and pretext for this one particular crisis simply because it's the current political and social de rigueur?  Why do the millions of displaced Syrians get preferential treatment over, say, the displaced millions in war torn Sudan, Somalia or the DRC in Africa, or the millions being oppressed and dealing with political and economic strife in many Central and South American nations?  How come the west isn't being asked to opening its doors en masse with welcome arms to any of those poor folks in need too?



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

NightDragon83 said:
JWeinCom said:
NightDragon83 said:
 

Because it's not about what we should or shouldn't do... it's about why the onus gets put on western countries to do something about it when other nations that are closer and have an even greater stake in the future of Syria (see Qatar and Saudi Arabia's proposed oil pipelines that would run through Syria, but there's this little matter of Assad being allied with Russia and against said pipelines) get a pass from the rest of the world?


Well, yes it is about what we should or shouldn't do.  Which is why your question started with "Explain why Europe, the US, or anyone else for that matter should".  You're repeatedly trying to change the subject by adding in details like Russia and Qatar.

I certainly agree that nations like Saudi Arabia and UAE should be doing much more.  However, if they refuse to do so, why should that have any bearing on how the US should handle the refugees?  This is like the child in school that is caught doing something and says "well Billy is doing it to."

Whether or not you agree that we should take in refugees, do you think we should or shouldn't do so based on Saudia Arabia's actions?  If not, then we agree.  

We agree neither Saudia Arabia's nor any other nation's actions in the ME do not determine ours.  But we're going around in circles here.

The point of this whole argument, and the issue with respect to how we treat refugees displaced due to policial turmoil or war in general, is why does the west have to throw out all laws and pretext for this one particular crisis simply because it's the current political and social de rigueur?  Why do the millions of displaced Syrians get preferential treatment over, say, the displaced millions in war torn Sudan, Somalia or the DRC in Africa, or the millions being oppressed and dealing with political and economic strife in many Central and South American nations?  How come the west isn't being asked to opening its doors en masse with welcome arms to any of those poor folks in need too?

The only point I was trying to make is that Saudi Arabia's actions should not influence ours.  So, if we agree on that, then I'm done.  As for the other situations you're mentioning, I am not educated enough on those subjects to comment.