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Are Handhelds = Consoles?

Yes 184 50.14%
 
No 126 34.33%
 
Its more complicated than that 37 10.08%
 
Who gives a shit! 20 5.45%
 
Total:367
vivster on 24 September 2015

Not only are they both consoles, they're also:

- gaming devices
- entertainment devices
- electronic devices
- physical devices
- possess mass
- and can be spelled with letters to form words

The similarities just don't stop!!!



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 24 September 2015
vivster said:
Goodnightmoon said:

I´m just going to copy paste where I said in the previous thread, I´m tired of this nonsense debate:

They are not devices designed with the main purpose of playing videogames, not at all, nobody sells videogames for hadhelds neither, in fact those are not real videogames because they are not on a homeconsole, and they don´t make profit for videogame companies, and they have been totally irrelevant in the industry of videogames (tetris and pokemon are niche)

Oh wait, now that I think of, handheld is just an adjective of...HOW IS THE FREAKING CONSOLE, a handheld CONSOLE.

To say that a handheld console is not a console is just as stupid as saying that a mobile phone is not a phone because is mobile... WTF?

Context dude. It's all about comparisons not categories. You can put things in similar categories but once you compare them on the same level despite having completely different attributes, you crossed the line.

That's also why we don't compare smartphone sales with home phones.

This is irrelevant. You are assuming because they are part of the same class, they are compared the same. The reason the term handheld exists is to distinguish it from home consoles, for easier analysis. As a whole, they are both part of the same class, dedicated gaming devices aka consoles.

All squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are squares.



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vivster on 24 September 2015
Goodnightmoon said:
vivster said:

Context dude. It's all about comparisons not categories. You can put things in similar categories but once you compare them on the same level despite having completely different attributes, you crossed the line.

That's also why we don't compare smartphone sales with home phones.

The Op is about handhelds being consoles, when not even the question makes sense, of course they are, how can anybody think they are not? They do everything a console is supposed to do, they are focused on gaming, they report benefits selling hardware and software for video game companies just just like the rest, they are only consoles to play on the go, nothing less, nothing more, you cans ay they have different prices and that jazz but homeconsoles are not priced the same and some hadels have been way more expensive than Homeconsoles (3DS and PSV were more expensive than GC and Wii)

Also their demographics and use cases are completely different. But sure, they're completely the same and should be treated exactly the same.

Just like breast pumps and refridgerators are both electronic devices and as such should be treated as equals on their ability to mow my lawn.



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AEGRO on 24 September 2015

Im going to leave the Poll for a couple of hours and then, depending on the result im going to change the Poll to something even more specific so we can continue to debate here.

Thank you all for you responses!



Intrinsic on 24 September 2015

I went with "its more complicated than that"

Handhelds are consoles by definition. However home consoles and handheld consoles (aka portables) should not be grouped together. The only thing they have in common is that they both play games.

A handheld has more in common with a smartphone than it does with a home console.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 24 September 2015
baloofarsan said:

What is the Wii U?
Handheld or Home?

Home, due to the need of an external power supply.



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Miyamotoo on 24 September 2015

Home consoles and handheld consoles.



AlfredoTurkey on 24 September 2015

It all depends on the person. If it's a Nintendo die hard, of COURSE they are. Sony diehard with say of COURSE they aren't.

Everyone else knows better. This is why sales data is NEVER combined. They are separate markets that sell to mostly different demographs.

I've said this a billion times, and I'll keep saying it. Handhelds and consoles are like motorcycles and automobiles. A motorcycle does the same basic thing, but is much cheaper and is used by a completely different demograph and thus, don't compete head on with automobiles. The same is true with handhelds.

The sooner you guys accept this, the happier you will be because the people who do sales analysis will NEVER lump them in together and you will ALWAYS be on the losing side of any argument.



vivster on 24 September 2015
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
vivster said:

Context dude. It's all about comparisons not categories. You can put things in similar categories but once you compare them on the same level despite having completely different attributes, you crossed the line.

That's also why we don't compare smartphone sales with home phones.

This is irrelevant. You are assuming because they are part of the same class, they are compared the same. The reason the term handheld exists is to distinguish it from home consoles, for easier analysis. As a whole, they are both part of the same class, dedicated gaming devices aka consoles.

All squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are squares.

Wasn't that the exact thing I just said? Or you meant to replay to someone else?

They can both be in the same category but that doesn't make them the same. As such they shouldn't be compared as the same. Refer to any of my otehr posts in here to get a better picture of my point.



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Rogerioandrade on 24 September 2015

Console = a device that outputs a video signal or visual image to display a video game

Handhelds are devices dedicated to display video games, they´re, obviously, consoles. I don´t think there´s much to discuss here.

What we could discuss is if we should consider the home console market and the handheld/portable console market as a same market or not.
I´d say that it would be foolishness to consider them different markets, because they have pratically the same consumers: traditional (or hardcore, if you prefer) videogame players.