for the sake of not arguing for eternity, lets say its true (because it is to an extent) that still doesnt make them as Ergonomic as home console controllers. which is the original difference i was pointing out.

So to be defined as a console you have to have a controller you feel is comfortable?

I agree completely with the ergonomic thing.  Hell, I bought one of those silicon case things that was supposed to make the 3DS more comfortable, to no avail.  Controller still does what it is supposed to do though, lets me play the game as it was intended to be played.

you asked me for a difference since i was putting them on different subcategories, i GAVE YOU ONE.

i could also give you others like the fact that with a handheld you cant:

- sit down on a couch with 6 friends and enjoy a game like until dawn, or play local multiplayer (in the same screen) with 4 friends (something thats sadly becoming rare, except for fighting games with tag matches)

- the fact that you dont have to put the screen close to your face and just sit down away from the screen.

they are both consoles/gaming devices but they are put in different subcategories (home console/handheld).

im not even gonna argues with you, ive seen your arguments against other users that blasted you with facts and you kept on going just wasting their time with empty arguments, im not gonna waste my time with you.

Funny if I use the term system I include both consoles and handhelds

In a day-to-day conversation for me it is context based.  I might use it for all, but mainly just for home consoles.  And usually I will only use it when I am in a conversation with someone who I know has multiple.  Example: Friend: "I am grabbing CoD tomorrow" Me: "which system?" them: "PS4".

I am the only person in my circle who does the home and handheld thing.  I tend to buy handheld exclusively only on handheld and everything else on home.

In my book they've always been a console, just a handheld console.

After that thread,let's make another similar....Are mobiles...phones?Or a phone is just a phone that is stable on a table,i.e a home phone?:P
Console,is a general term,In my language the word about it,is(I'll write it with latin characthers)paignidomihani(gamemachine)and before that we put home(oikiaki) or handheld(phoriti),these are epithets,unfortunately some people refer to home consoles,with the plain word''console'' and others refer to handheld consoles,with the plain word ''handhelds'' both are wrong,as I aforesaid handheld is an epithet and console(a device) is a general term,that needs these adjectives,home or handheld to be specialized/defined...
So,I answered(in a bizarre way,someone may say!)

The primary feature of the old cell phones was making phone calls. Most smartphone users use their devices only for the fraction of time to make phone calls, the PDA functions and the internet access are much more important to them. The telephone function is "just another app".

This.....I have no idea why there was ever an argument to begin with.