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Frogger on 03 October 2015
Soundwave said:

The Wii redefined what a video game console is, unifying a library (well not really even that as it turns out from what you're saying) isn't redefining anything. 

Explain to a normal person at a Wal-Mart why the NX is so revolutionary ... because it has unified development tools to allow for easier sharing of assets. They're going to look at your like you're a damn nut. That doesn't resonate with a consumer, it's something maybe 20 people on internet message board get excited about. 

The Wii, people could look at that and say very clearly "yeah I get it, this is very different" right away. 

So if that's their "hook" or what they think is "redefining the game platform" ... good luck to you Nintendo. You are going to need it. 


No, it didn't. It revolutionized what a gaming console was. It didn't redefine anything.

Lol, the NX is more than just a unified library. If you can't wrap your head around that, and how that redefines what a gaming platform is, there's no point in continuing this conversation.

"What's so revolutionary about NX?" asks a normal person at Walmart.

"You know smart phones and smart watches? The NX is a smart console." says anybody who understands what the NX is.

"Woah," says the new understander of what the NX is.



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ICStats on 03 October 2015
ArchangelMadzz said:
This is only meaningful if devs can code to the metal and send direct commands to the gpu and cpu.

Apple's "Metal" is pretty good for that.



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Soundwave on 04 October 2015
spemanig said:
Soundwave said:

The Wii redefined what a video game console is, unifying a library (well not really even that as it turns out from what you're saying) isn't redefining anything. 

Explain to a normal person at a Wal-Mart why the NX is so revolutionary ... because it has unified development tools to allow for easier sharing of assets. They're going to look at your like you're a damn nut. That doesn't resonate with a consumer, it's something maybe 20 people on internet message board get excited about. 

The Wii, people could look at that and say very clearly "yeah I get it, this is very different" right away. 

So if that's their "hook" or what they think is "redefining the game platform" ... good luck to you Nintendo. You are going to need it. 


No, it didn't. It revolutionized what a gaming console was. It didn't redefine anything.

Lol, the NX is more than just a unified library. If you can't wrap your head around that, and how that redefines what a gaming platform is, there's no point in continuing this conversation.

"What's so revolutionary about NX?" asks a normal person at Walmart.

"You know smart phones and smart watches? The NX is a smart console." says anybody who understands what the NX is.

"Woah," says the new understander of what the NX is.


I have a smart hamburger and a smart laundry detergent to sell you in aisle 10. 

That's just arbitrarily putting a term that another company has actually popularized in front of your own product line. 

Is the PSVita + Vita TV a "smart console" too? 



AnthonyW86 on 04 October 2015

I still think it was a mistake from Nintendo to go PowerPC instead of ARM for Wii-U. If they hade chosen ARM it would have been much more scalable to an mobile device.



Frogger on 04 October 2015
Soundwave said:

I have a smart hamburger and a smart laundry detergent to sell you in aisle 10. 

That's just arbitrarily putting a term that another company has actually popularized in front of your own product line. 

Is the PSVita + Vita TV a "smart console" too? 


No, it's not. Clearly, it's not. And there's nothing arbitrary about it. When someone says "smart watch," you immediately understand the immense difference between it and a watch. When you say "smart TV," people immediately understand the significant difference. The Vita TV isn't even remotely in the equation. It's not doing what the NX will do at all. Not even close. The fact that you keep bringing that up proved how harsh a misunderstanding of what the NX is supposed to be you have. I will be fun so see the moment when you finally get it.

For the rest of us, it already makes sense.



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zorg1000 on 04 October 2015
spemanig said:
Soundwave said:

I have a smart hamburger and a smart laundry detergent to sell you in aisle 10. 

That's just arbitrarily putting a term that another company has actually popularized in front of your own product line. 

Is the PSVita + Vita TV a "smart console" too? 


No, it's not. Clearly, it's not. And there's nothing arbitrary about it. When someone says "smart watch," you immediately understand the immense difference between it and a watch. When you say "smart TV," people immediately understand the significant difference. The Vita TV isn't even remotely in the equation. It's not doing what the NX will do at all. Not even close. The fact that you keep bringing that up proved how harsh a misunderstanding of what the NX is supposed to be you have. I will be fun so see the moment when you finally get it.

For the rest of us, it already makes sense.


What exactly is the difference between a console and a smart console?

I mean its pretty easy to understand what makes phones/watches/televisions "Smart", here is how a Smart device is defined on wikipedia.

"A smart device is an electronic device, generally connected to other devices or networks via different protocols such as Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi, 3G, etc., that can operate to some extent interactively and autonomously."

Aren't consoles technically already "Smart"?



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ArchangelMadzz on 04 October 2015
ICStats said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
This is only meaningful if devs can code to the metal and send direct commands to the gpu and cpu.

Apple's "Metal" is pretty good for that.


If it's enabled for it then yeah this is awesome 



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Frogger on 04 October 2015
zorg1000 said:

What exactly is the difference between a console and a smart console?

I mean its pretty easy to understand what makes phones/watches/televisions "Smart", here is how a Smart device is defined on wikipedia.

"A smart device is an electronic device, generally connected to other devices or networks via different protocols such as Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi, 3G, etc., that can operate to some extent interactively and autonomously."

Aren't consoles technically already "Smart"?


I don't think that anyone goes to wikipedia when they think of any smart device. When a device is smart, it is indicative of a very specific brand UI experience, the likes of which is absolutely vacant on consoles.

So no, consoles are not already "smart."



Frogger on 04 October 2015
zorg1000 said:

What exactly is the difference between a console and a smart console?

I mean its pretty easy to understand what makes phones/watches/televisions "Smart", here is how a Smart device is defined on wikipedia.

"A smart device is an electronic device, generally connected to other devices or networks via different protocols such as Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi, 3G, etc., that can operate to some extent interactively and autonomously."

Aren't consoles technically already "Smart"?


I don't think that anyone goes to wikipedia when they think of any smart device. When a device is smart, it is indicative of a very specific brand UI experience, the likes of which is absolutely vacant on consoles.

So no, consoles are not already "smart."

EDIT: That being said, that's not me saying that any is far off. But none have the unfrastructure built around that idea. The XBO was originially trying to do something of that ilk, but it didn't got far enough with it, and even then, the whole DRM disaster happened.



Madword on 04 October 2015
spemanig said:
zorg1000 said:

What exactly is the difference between a console and a smart console?

I mean its pretty easy to understand what makes phones/watches/televisions "Smart", here is how a Smart device is defined on wikipedia.

"A smart device is an electronic device, generally connected to other devices or networks via different protocols such as Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi, 3G, etc., that can operate to some extent interactively and autonomously."

Aren't consoles technically already "Smart"?


I don't think that anyone goes to wikipedia when they think of any smart device. When a device is smart, it is indicative of a very specific brand UI experience, the likes of which is absolutely vacant on consoles.

So no, consoles are not already "smart."

I think you need to explain what a smart console is.... because smart watches/TV's are not particularly smart, they just allow connection to the internet/services.

I dont think telling people in Walmart that the console is a smart device is going to resonate at all... especially when most console devices have pretty much advanced services. 



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