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endimion said:
thismeintiel said:
I think we already knew this. Though, the 360 didn't make them billions. It made them lose money the 1st year or two. They may have broke even on the 360 by now, but it definitely didn't net them a profit of billions, overall. And given how the XBO is performing, I doubt they'll ever make a profit on the Xbox venture, as a whole. That's really the reason investors were so vocal about them just dropping it earlier this gen.


XBL alone is a gold mine between sales revenue and advertising revenue... They more than likely covered XBOG 360 and are well set on the one looking at current numbers... XBox no matter how people want to shake it is a financial success so far for MS and will probably only get better and gain ground with time expending on different platform

 

and that investor rumor has to stop... There were one venture capital that is not even a top five shareholder with low influence and low key interest that wanted to split it... It's like taking seriously Kanye wanting to be president or god or whatever the fuck he wants to be these days... Nobody listen to them....

 

I don't see anybody talking about Sony number one shareholder openly and repeatedly wanting to split Sony in multiple division in particular the entertainment division from the hardware division taking him seriously.... And he has like god all mighty powers in comparaison to the less than 1%ter shareholder that remotely voiced maybe twice in the past the wish to split the XB division from MS...

Rumor?  That wasn't a rumor.  That was true.  And it was more than just one person.  It was at least 3, 1 who is in charge of MS's  cofounder's investments and 2 of which represent investment firms, including Goldman Sachs.  I'm guessing those altogether own more than the 6.5% share that Daniel Loeb owned of Sony.  Bill Gates wouldn't have said he would be ok with the CEO dropping the Xbox division just for ONE lone investor.  Nor would they be dropping the Xbox name from several services, in case of a Xbox sell off, for one investor.  Nor would they have dropped the amount of money they are investing into the Xbox division, if only one investor wanted them to.

And no one is talking about Daniel Loeb because he was as clear as day with his intentions.  He just wanted Sony to sell off some of the company so he could make a quick buck.  Sony wouldn't go for it, so Loeb sold his share.  The MS investors want to continue to invest in MS, but have them get rid of the divisions that they see as lost causes, like Xbox and Bing.  Sony has also righted the ship and are now making money, and have already gotten rid of a couple of the divisions that cause losses, so there isn't really any reason to talk about dropping any of their divisions, except maybe mobile.

And no, XBL has not covered the losses of XBOG and 360.  It has probably help them make hundreds of millions in profit over the years, but nowhere near the $7B+ in losses that the Xbox division has racked up since the start.  If it had, no one would be asking for the dropping of Xbox.



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endimion said:
thismeintiel said:
I think we already knew this. Though, the 360 didn't make them billions. It made them lose money the 1st year or two. They may have broke even on the 360 by now, but it definitely didn't net them a profit of billions, overall. And given how the XBO is performing, I doubt they'll ever make a profit on the Xbox venture, as a whole. That's really the reason investors were so vocal about them just dropping it earlier this gen.


XBL alone is a gold mine between sales revenue and advertising revenue... They more than likely covered XBOG 360 and are well set on the one looking at current numbers... XBox no matter how people want to shake it is a financial success so far for MS and will probably only get better and gain ground with time expending on different platform

Xbox live revenue is not as much of 'gold mine' as you think. Xbox live revenue has always been included in their earnings statements. Fact is that Microsoft lost over 7 billion on the Xbox and they lost around 3 billion on the Xbox 360. Bringing the total to 11 Billion lost, while Sony lost over 5 billion on the PS3 alone. For the Xbox One they have already posted some losses. This does not paint a picture of 'financial success'.

and that investor rumor has to stop... There were one venture capital that is not even a top five shareholder with low influence and low key interest that wanted to split it... It's like taking seriously Kanye wanting to be president or god or whatever the fuck he wants to be these days... Nobody listen to them....

There were in fact many key investors and board members that expressed concern over Xbox's losses including their current CEO. This was widly reported apon and is not a rumor.

I don't see anybody talking about Sony number one shareholder openly and repeatedly wanting to split Sony in multiple division in particular the entertainment division from the hardware division taking him seriously.... And he has like god all mighty powers in comparaison to the less than 1%ter shareholder that remotely voiced maybe twice in the past the wish to split the XB division from MS...

The above text is hardly true at all. The number one shareholder of Sony stock is Citibank. They never suggested Sony split up in multiple divisions.





They are very well known now. Nearly as well known as Windows is.



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

KingdomHeartsFan said:

Worth it.


7B dollars of FUCKING AMAZING, drop in the bucket compared to Military Expenditures ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

It's worth "Billions". Yep they lost 7 billion to make 2 billion. Sounds about right.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

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elektranine said:
endimion said:


XBL alone is a gold mine between sales revenue and advertising revenue... They more than likely covered XBOG 360 and are well set on the one looking at current numbers... XBox no matter how people want to shake it is a financial success so far for MS and will probably only get better and gain ground with time expending on different platform

Xbox live revenue is not as much of 'gold mine' as you think. Xbox live revenue has always been included in their earnings statements. Fact is that Microsoft lost over 7 billion on the Xbox and they lost around 3 billion on the Xbox 360. Bringing the total to 11 Billion lost, while Sony lost over 5 billion on the PS3 alone. For the Xbox One they have already posted some losses. This does not paint a picture of 'financial success'.


The end of this story is that the successor product made billions of dollars, even with the write-off,

and that investor rumor has to stop... There were one venture capital that is not even a top five shareholder with low influence and low key interest that wanted to split it... It's like taking seriously Kanye wanting to be president or god or whatever the fuck he wants to be these days... Nobody listen to them....

There were in fact many key investors and board members that expressed concern over Xbox's losses including their current CEO. This was widly reported apon and is not a rumor.

I don't see anybody talking about Sony number one shareholder openly and repeatedly wanting to split Sony in multiple division in particular the entertainment division from the hardware division taking him seriously.... And he has like god all mighty powers in comparaison to the less than 1%ter shareholder that remotely voiced maybe twice in the past the wish to split the XB division from MS...

The above text is hardly true at all. The number one shareholder of Sony stock is Citibank. They never suggested Sony split up in multiple divisions.







Finances doesn't work in the way people here seem to think. It's not like you accumulate losses and then write them of with profits. If MS invested 7B, that it's already played for. The profits they are making now, or if they would make a loss, it's what matters. A company cannot focus on more than ten year old losses, them they would never make investments.



Cost money to make something like XBL. No point in diving any further into the finances as some others are already doing, none of us have any idea what we are talking about lol.



so they lost 5B-7B selling 20M consoles and sony lost that in the first 3years of ps3 and ended selling 85M... i guess i preffer the second



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Worth it.


7B dollars of FUCKING AMAZING, drop in the bucket compared to Military Expenditures ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


a lot better than the 2.5 B invested in minecraft



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."