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Samus Aran said:
BlowoverKing said:
Samus Aran said:

That's terrible support. Those are great games now? Or big? Zelda U will outsell all those games combined on the Vita. How's that for big? Most of those games you mentioned will also be on PS4.

Wii U doesn't have great support either (Nintendo fans aren't in denial over it), but in 5 years from now no one will be talking about the great Vita gems except a very small minority that really digs obscure Japanese games.

Port Super Mario Maker (or make a sequel) to the NX and it will probably outsell the Vita by itself (assuming it's a fusion console).

Look at the million sellers of the Vita library and it's quite clear that the console lacks any must have games and it will never get it either.

As for which one will outsell the other, does it matter? They're both jokes when it comes to sales. Selling more doesn't make one console better than the other anyway. I'll gladly take the GC library over the Wii one...

Wii U is getting Xenoblade Chronicles X, SMT x FE, Pokken Tournament and Zelda U. I'm (hopefully) getting a PS4 next year, so I can safely say I'm not interested in a single Vita game. So that's 4 Wii U games I'll be getting and zero Vita ones.

Too bad Zelda will to nothing as far as selling a substantial amount of Wii U's, it'll just sell to the existing userbase. Besides that's just one game, it may be a big game but saying that the Vita has terrible support  even though it get's 10x the games the Wii U does is foolish.

Also I plan on getting Persona 4 Dancing all Night, Corpse Party Blood Drive, Sword Art Online: Lost Song, Legend of Heroes: Trials of Cold Steel, Digimon Cyber Sleuth, World of Final Fantasy, Zero Escape 3, and Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir. And as of right now I have no plans to buy another Wii U game unless they show more SMTxFE gameplay.

So that's 8 Vita games I'll be getting and zero Wii U ones.

Good for you, Zelda will still outsell all those games combined and it fully deserves too.

My post isn't argueing which console will outsell the other because they both sell like trash anyway. I'm saying that just because one console outsells the other it doesn't mean it's better, which is what some people here seem to think (the same people who will argue that the Vita has a better library than the 3DS mind you).

I'm also 100% sure that if some Wii U exclusives were Vita exclusives instead they'd be on your list now. Lol.

Is it so difficult to just accept other opinions? and Why is it false (or bad or crazy?) for someone if he likes the games from the Vita better than the games on the 3ds (and so in his opinion, game Library: Vita>3DS)? and please don't make any assumption on someones opinion, it's bullshit.



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Samus Aran said:
BlowoverKing said:
Samus Aran said:

That's terrible support. Those are great games now? Or big? Zelda U will outsell all those games combined on the Vita. How's that for big? Most of those games you mentioned will also be on PS4.

Wii U doesn't have great support either (Nintendo fans aren't in denial over it), but in 5 years from now no one will be talking about the great Vita gems except a very small minority that really digs obscure Japanese games.

Port Super Mario Maker (or make a sequel) to the NX and it will probably outsell the Vita by itself (assuming it's a fusion console).

Look at the million sellers of the Vita library and it's quite clear that the console lacks any must have games and it will never get it either.

As for which one will outsell the other, does it matter? They're both jokes when it comes to sales. Selling more doesn't make one console better than the other anyway. I'll gladly take the GC library over the Wii one...

Wii U is getting Xenoblade Chronicles X, SMT x FE, Pokken Tournament and Zelda U. I'm (hopefully) getting a PS4 next year, so I can safely say I'm not interested in a single Vita game. So that's 4 Wii U games I'll be getting and zero Vita ones.

Too bad Zelda will to nothing as far as selling a substantial amount of Wii U's, it'll just sell to the existing userbase. Besides that's just one game, it may be a big game but saying that the Vita has terrible support  even though it get's 10x the games the Wii U does is foolish.

Also I plan on getting Persona 4 Dancing all Night, Corpse Party Blood Drive, Sword Art Online: Lost Song, Legend of Heroes: Trials of Cold Steel, Digimon Cyber Sleuth, World of Final Fantasy, Zero Escape 3, and Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir. And as of right now I have no plans to buy another Wii U game unless they show more SMTxFE gameplay.

So that's 8 Vita games I'll be getting and zero Wii U ones.

Good for you, Zelda will still outsell all those games combined and it fully deserves too.

My post isn't argueing which console will outsell the other because they both sell like trash anyway. I'm saying that just because one console outsells the other it doesn't mean it's better, which is what some people here seem to think (the same people who will argue that the Vita has a better library than the 3DS mind you).

I'm also 100% sure that if some Wii U exclusives were Vita exclusives instead they'd be on your list now. Lol.


Samus, you do realize that if Atlus didn't support the 3DS, I'd be regretting my purchase and wished I had a Vita instead, you know that?

There's a reason why Atlus and Xseed make up the majority of my library on the 3DS - and for good reason.



 
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Maybe......if Nintendo drops the price of the WiiU before holidays this year.

I do believe that Nintendo won´t do that, so probably Vita will end its commercial run with more units sold than the WiiU, but the gap will definetely be smaller than it is today.



Miyamotoo said:
midrange said:
No, here's why:

(1) compelling system selling software - tie, no console is having must have software coming up. While there may be a case for Nintendo's upcoming games to sell well, that does not detract from the fact that they cater to the Nintendo fanbase which already bought the wii u.

(2) successor - vita. Nintendo wants to move on. It's as plain as day to see, and with the new president also expressing his reluctance with the wii u, it seems all the more likely that Nintendo will rush out their next home console killing the wii u earlier. Sony on the other hand is showing no signs of a vita successor and may actually be reluctant to do so when weighing the risk of going against mobile phones/tablets.

(3) power (reletaive towards domain)- vita. The ps4 and xbone started off with great starts, but only recently are they becoming more commonplace with upcoming games showcasing power that is exclusive to next gen. Since the wii u does not have that kind of power, it will often be eliminated as a consideration for next gen. The vita, on the other hand, has plenty of room to grow compared to the 3ds.



In the end, the vita may have issues, but the wii u has just as much, if not more, leaving the vita in a position where it can comfortably maintain its lead

(1) Dont agree, Super Mario Maker that was out few days ago is must have software for platform lovers, Xenoblade X for JRPG lovers,Pokken Fighters is also must have, I dont need to mention Zelda U, we can say that Star Fox Zero is must have for Star Fox fans and Fatal Frame V for Fatal Frame and horor fans and it very likely we will get another Wii U game, maybe Pikmin 4.. All this games are exclusives (except maybe Zelda U), on other hand Vita is having 3rd party support mainly in Japan only and even those games are mainly multiplatform.

(3) Power isn't problem, if power is a problem Vita wouldn't sell 5x worse than 3DS.

(2) Agree, and I think that will be main reason why Vita will sell better than Wii U, but I dont think Nintendo will rush out new console, fact is that Nintendo home console have life span around 5 years, PSP for instance is discontinued last year around 10 years on market, Vita will be probably be last Sony handheld and Sony will certainly not will not rush to discontinued it.

(1) read my initial point. I said the wii u may have games that do well, but the grand majority who will buy them probably already have a wii u. Mario, pokemon, pikmin, starfox, zelda, those are all games that are most appreciated by Nintendo fans, who probably already have the system. They may move a small amount of hardware units, but nothing really significant. 

The only Non-Nintendo like games coming out are fatal frame and xenoblade X. And while they may end up as good games, no jrpg fans or horror fan will buy a wii u just to play 1 game in their favorite genre. Currently there are 0 other compelling exclusive horror games and jrpg games on the wii u.

 

(2) Power is a most certainly a problem when it comes to perception of a product. Correlation =/= Causation. In other words, Vita has other reasons why it is not selling well, but power is not one of them. The wii u on the other hand is constantly labeled as alast gen console, which is a huge problem, and guess what ... that is a power problem.

 

(3) Yes it does seem like they are rushing the new console. Nintendo consoles seem to only last 5 years a generation when they are not leading. Otherwise they are replaced in 6-7 years. Also, the biggest indicator of their rush is that they may transition before the generation is over. When they throw out the NX, is it still gonna be 9th gen despite it playing against ps4 and xbox one? Why haven't we heard a single shred of details about a ps5 or an xbox two? It seems pretty obvious that Nintendo wants this gen to end, and if indications are correct and they  release the NX next year, they will have effectively rushed out a new console before the gen is over.



midrange said:
Miyamotoo said:

(1) Dont agree, Super Mario Maker that was out few days ago is must have software for platform lovers, Xenoblade X for JRPG lovers,Pokken Fighters is also must have, I dont need to mention Zelda U, we can say that Star Fox Zero is must have for Star Fox fans and Fatal Frame V for Fatal Frame and horor fans and it very likely we will get another Wii U game, maybe Pikmin 4.. All this games are exclusives (except maybe Zelda U), on other hand Vita is having 3rd party support mainly in Japan only and even those games are mainly multiplatform.

(3) Power isn't problem, if power is a problem Vita wouldn't sell 5x worse than 3DS.

(2) Agree, and I think that will be main reason why Vita will sell better than Wii U, but I dont think Nintendo will rush out new console, fact is that Nintendo home console have life span around 5 years, PSP for instance is discontinued last year around 10 years on market, Vita will be probably be last Sony handheld and Sony will certainly not will not rush to discontinued it.

(1) read my initial point. I said the wii u may have games that do well, but the grand majority who will buy them probably already have a wii u. Mario, pokemon, pikmin, starfox, zelda, those are all games that are most appreciated by Nintendo fans, who probably already have the system. They may move a small amount of hardware units, but nothing really significant. 

The only Non-Nintendo like games coming out are fatal frame and xenoblade X. And while they may end up as good games, no jrpg fans or horror fan will buy a wii u just to play 1 game in their favorite genre. Currently there are 0 other compelling exclusive horror games and jrpg games on the wii u.

 

(2) Power is a most certainly a problem when it comes to perception of a product. Correlation =/= Causation. In other words, Vita has other reasons why it is not selling well, but power is not one of them. The wii u on the other hand is constantly labeled as alast gen console, which is a huge problem, and guess what ... that is a power problem.

 

(3) Yes it does seem like they are rushing the new console. Nintendo consoles seem to only last 5 years a generation when they are not leading. Otherwise they are replaced in 6-7 years. Also, the biggest indicator of their rush is that they may transition before the generation is over. When they throw out the NX, is it still gonna be 9th gen despite it playing against ps4 and xbox one? Why haven't we heard a single shred of details about a ps5 or an xbox two? It seems pretty obvious that Nintendo wants this gen to end, and if indications are correct and they  release the NX next year, they will have effectively rushed out a new console before the gen is over.

(1) Yes, we already have Mario and Pikmin on WIi U, but we dont have Pokkemon Fighter, Star Fox, new Zelda (not HD port), Fatal Frame and Xenoblade X, those game will certanly move some consoles.

(2) Dont agree. DS was selling much better than PSP despite was weaker than PSP, dont need to mentioned Wii, 3DS is selling great being in era of smartphones and tablets despite is very weak. Guess what, Wii was also constantly labeled as alast gen console and that wasnt problem when we know Wii sale numbers.

(3) Incorrect, only NES and Wii had life span of 6 years, all other Nintendo home consoles had life span of 5 years, there no single console with life span of 7 years. No that is not indicator, because last gen was longest home console generation ever, PS3 had life span of 7 years and Xbox 360 life span of 8 years and we know that Nintendo home console have life span of around 5 years, thats why they released Wii U before PS4/XboxOne (much better decision would be if they released console in 2011. not 2012.), so it is expected to again release new home console again before PS5/Xbox One. If new Nintendo home console arrive next year, Wii U will have life span of 4 years instead of usual 5 years cycle for Nintendo console, but I dont think in that case new console would rushed, it just means that Wii U has little shorter life span than usual.



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Miyamotoo said:
midrange said:

(1) read my initial point. I said the wii u may have games that do well, but the grand majority who will buy them probably already have a wii u. Mario, pokemon, pikmin, starfox, zelda, those are all games that are most appreciated by Nintendo fans, who probably already have the system. They may move a small amount of hardware units, but nothing really significant. 

The only Non-Nintendo like games coming out are fatal frame and xenoblade X. And while they may end up as good games, no jrpg fans or horror fan will buy a wii u just to play 1 game in their favorite genre. Currently there are 0 other compelling exclusive horror games and jrpg games on the wii u.

 

(2) Power is a most certainly a problem when it comes to perception of a product. Correlation =/= Causation. In other words, Vita has other reasons why it is not selling well, but power is not one of them. The wii u on the other hand is constantly labeled as alast gen console, which is a huge problem, and guess what ... that is a power problem.

 

(3) Yes it does seem like they are rushing the new console. Nintendo consoles seem to only last 5 years a generation when they are not leading. Otherwise they are replaced in 6-7 years. Also, the biggest indicator of their rush is that they may transition before the generation is over. When they throw out the NX, is it still gonna be 9th gen despite it playing against ps4 and xbox one? Why haven't we heard a single shred of details about a ps5 or an xbox two? It seems pretty obvious that Nintendo wants this gen to end, and if indications are correct and they  release the NX next year, they will have effectively rushed out a new console before the gen is over.

(1) Yes, we already have Mario and Pikmin on WIi U, but we dont have Pokkemon Fighter, Star Fox, new Zelda (not HD port), Fatal Frame and Xenoblade X, those game will certanly move some consoles.

(2) Dont agree. DS was selling much better than PSP despite was weaker than PSP, dont need to mentioned Wii, 3DS is selling great being in era of smartphones and tablets despite is very weak. Guess what, Wii was also constantly labeled as alast gen console and that wasnt problem when we know Wii sale numbers.

(3) Incorrect, only NES and Wii had life span of 6 years, all other Nintendo home consoles had life span of 5 years, there no single console with life span of 7 years. No that is not indicator, because last gen was longest home console generation ever, PS3 had life span of 7 years and Xbox 360 life span of 8 years and we know that Nintendo home console have life span of around 5 years, thats why they released Wii U before PS4/XboxOne (much better decision would be if they released console in 2011. not 2012.), so it is expected to again release new home console again before PS5/Xbox One. If new Nintendo home console arrive next year, Wii U will have life span of 4 years instead of usual 5 years cycle for Nintendo console, but I dont think in that case new console would rushed, it just means that Wii U has little shorter life span than usual.

(1) aside from fatal frame and xenoblade (which I already addressed), there are only Nintendo like games coming out (aimed at being family friendly with a cartoonish appeal). Once again that audience is most likely already on the wii u. It may move consoles, but most certainly not a significant amount.

(2) Are you kidding me? The wii was labeled last gen by many many people especially towards the end of the last gen. With regards to sales it showed dramatically as the wii had a huge drop off and the ps3 and xbox 360 rose to popularity.

Power is huge. While it may not be a huge factor near the start of a gen (since people still need to figure out the tech), it is a necessity near the end of a generation in order to continue producing the most impressive games. Put it this way. Next year, vita still has the potential to produce games on par with the 3ds. Wii u simply won't be able to match ps4 and xbox one games.

(3) So you are telling me that the wii u having the shortest life span, 4 years, while having the worst sales (aside from virtual boy) is a coincidence?



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Samus Aran said:

Good for you, Zelda will still outsell all those games combined and it fully deserves too.

My post isn't argueing which console will outsell the other because they both sell like trash anyway. I'm saying that just because one console outsells the other it doesn't mean it's better, which is what some people here seem to think (the same people who will argue that the Vita has a better library than the 3DS mind you).

I'm also 100% sure that if some Wii U exclusives were Vita exclusives instead they'd be on your list now. Lol.


People here are not comparing the quality of the games, but their potential to move hardware. You (and some other Nintendo fans) are the one ranting about quality of Wii U games being higher than Vita's - which can easily be questioned. But this topic isn't a place for that, we're talking sales, not quality of games. And the fact is - Vita with zero Sony support and only a limited Japanese support is way ahead of Wii U, despite it getting all major games from Nintendo. And there is no upcoming game, including Zelda, that has a higher selling potential than what was already released - mainly MK and Smash.

In this cripples' fight, the quality and quantity of the games doesn't really matter that much. The main factor is the moment in which Sony and Nintendo decide to stop shipments. From what we know, NX is looming, while the chance of Sony replacing Vita is next to zero. Add to that the very significant lead that Vita already has and the favourite is clear. Wii U will die the day Nintendo unveils the NX home console, not when they release it, but when they announce it. And that may even happen in about 6 months. Vita on the other hand has so many games announced for 2016, that it's a given it will survive till 2017 at the very least. Sony wouldn't screw Square-Enix this hard considering how strong their support for PlayStation has been as of late.

Also, I have no idea why people believe Wii U is going to have an incredible Christmas period. It will be better than Vita's, but what games are coming this year to make it that great? Last year we got Smash, I can't see anything in 2015 that comes close to it to drive the sales, so unless Nintendo cuts the price significantly, this is going to be by far the worst Christmas for Wii U. The long overdue cut is possible, due to the Japanese PS4 price cut and as a manner of early warehouse clearance before the inevitable NX bomb, and it is the only thing that can save Wii U this Christmas.

Vita... Vita just needs to keep on floating the way it is. It already has two games announced for 2016 that are potential 1+ mil sellers (DQ Builders and Minecraft: Story Mode) and another solid seller in World of FF. It'll be fine in 2016.



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My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

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midrange said:
Miyamotoo said:
midrange said:

(1) read my initial point. I said the wii u may have games that do well, but the grand majority who will buy them probably already have a wii u. Mario, pokemon, pikmin, starfox, zelda, those are all games that are most appreciated by Nintendo fans, who probably already have the system. They may move a small amount of hardware units, but nothing really significant. 

The only Non-Nintendo like games coming out are fatal frame and xenoblade X. And while they may end up as good games, no jrpg fans or horror fan will buy a wii u just to play 1 game in their favorite genre. Currently there are 0 other compelling exclusive horror games and jrpg games on the wii u.

 

(2) Power is a most certainly a problem when it comes to perception of a product. Correlation =/= Causation. In other words, Vita has other reasons why it is not selling well, but power is not one of them. The wii u on the other hand is constantly labeled as alast gen console, which is a huge problem, and guess what ... that is a power problem.

 

(3) Yes it does seem like they are rushing the new console. Nintendo consoles seem to only last 5 years a generation when they are not leading. Otherwise they are replaced in 6-7 years. Also, the biggest indicator of their rush is that they may transition before the generation is over. When they throw out the NX, is it still gonna be 9th gen despite it playing against ps4 and xbox one? Why haven't we heard a single shred of details about a ps5 or an xbox two? It seems pretty obvious that Nintendo wants this gen to end, and if indications are correct and they  release the NX next year, they will have effectively rushed out a new console before the gen is over.

(1) Yes, we already have Mario and Pikmin on WIi U, but we dont have Pokkemon Fighter, Star Fox, new Zelda (not HD port), Fatal Frame and Xenoblade X, those game will certanly move some consoles.

(2) Dont agree. DS was selling much better than PSP despite was weaker than PSP, dont need to mentioned Wii, 3DS is selling great being in era of smartphones and tablets despite is very weak. Guess what, Wii was also constantly labeled as alast gen console and that wasnt problem when we know Wii sale numbers.

(3) Incorrect, only NES and Wii had life span of 6 years, all other Nintendo home consoles had life span of 5 years, there no single console with life span of 7 years. No that is not indicator, because last gen was longest home console generation ever, PS3 had life span of 7 years and Xbox 360 life span of 8 years and we know that Nintendo home console have life span of around 5 years, thats why they released Wii U before PS4/XboxOne (much better decision would be if they released console in 2011. not 2012.), so it is expected to again release new home console again before PS5/Xbox One. If new Nintendo home console arrive next year, Wii U will have life span of 4 years instead of usual 5 years cycle for Nintendo console, but I dont think in that case new console would rushed, it just means that Wii U has little shorter life span than usual.

(1) aside from fatal frame and xenoblade (which I already addressed), there are only Nintendo like games coming out (aimed at being family friendly with a cartoonish appeal). Once again that audience is most likely already on the wii u. It may move consoles, but most certainly not a significant amount.

(2) Are you kidding me? The wii was labeled last gen by many many people especially towards the end of the last gen. With regards to sales it showed dramatically as the wii had a huge drop off and the ps3 and xbox 360 rose to popularity.

Power is huge. While it may not be a huge factor near the start of a gen (since people still need to figure out the tech), it is a necessity near the end of a generation in order to continue producing the most impressive games. Put it this way. Next year, vita still has the potential to produce games on par with the 3ds. Wii u simply won't be able to match ps4 and xbox one games.

(3) So you are telling me that the wii u having the shortest life span, 4 years, while having the worst sales (aside from virtual boy) is a coincidence?

(1)You have some people that only love Star Fox or Pokemon from Nintendo games so they didn't buy Wii U because they didn't have reason, this espacily goes for Zelda, this espacily goes for Zelda, you have tons a people that only love Zelda and buy console only for Zelda (and yes some of them already played Zelda WW and didn't want to buy Wii U because just that game). Also you have some people that are on edge to buy Wii U, they just need right exclusive (games that I already mentioned) to push them over the edge or price cut.

(2) I said Wii was labeled like last gen by many many people, but that didn't stopped Wii to sell 100m and to be best selling console of that gen, so no, power isn't a problem. Wii had a huge drop in sales because Nintendo stopped to supported and Wii owners go to different platforms, and I already said that Wii U needed to launch earlier.

(3) If NX will launch next year and Wii U have life span of 4 years, I dont think that would be coincidence (obviously is because of bad sales), but like I said, I dont think in that case new console would rushed, it just means that Wii U has little shorter life span than usual. But truth is that we still dont know what is NX, Nintendo said that NX isnt simply replacment for 3DS or Wii U.




After what Sony just did to Vita at the TGS conference, Vita looks much worse off. I still think it will outsell the WiiU lifetime, but it will definitly be a close race. Hopefully Sony has a new handheld in the works for 2016 - 2017, and they finally get it right. I like what I am hearing about NX so far. Whichever one brings me a handheld gaming phone will get a lot of my money.



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