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I see many unnecessarily defensive people, most PC gamers don't use this news to downplay console gaming, but just to answer to people that downplayed PC gaming or even declared it d0m3d.
About The Witcher 3 and other AAA titles: yes, but without PC The Witcher series wouldn't exist at all. AAA titles, unless heavily moneyhatted, nowadays need every major platform audience available to maximise profits, and while maybe two platforms could be enough to break even and make some profit too, why give up additional profits? And so, if a dev relies on publishers and investors, they'll surely explicitly ask for every version that will likely generate profits. Even more so considering that even the best titles have some probability to partially flop anyway, so maximising potential profit can also avoid that a sales numbers flop become a financial one too.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
I see many unnecessarily defensive people, most PC gamers don't use this news to downplay console gaming, but just to answer to people that downplayed PC gaming or even declared it d0m3d.
About The Witcher 3 and other AAA titles: yes, but without PC The Witcher series wouldn't exist at all. AAA titles, unless heavily moneyhatted, nowadays need every major platform audience available to maximise profits, and while maybe two platforms could be enough to break even and make some profit too, why give up additional profits? And so, if a dev relies on publishers and investors, they'll surely explicitly ask for every version that will likely generate profits. Even more so considering that even the best titles have some probability to partially flop anyway, so maximising potential profit can also avoid that a sales numbers flop become a financial one too.


From my perspective. 

There isn't anything wrong with PC gaming in the slightest, but this thread isn't about legitimacy. 



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

Things to take into account:

Many people when purchasing a computer go for more expensive is better rather than finding a machine that genuinely fits their needs. At the office I worked at, the computers were recently upgraded. To what, you might ask? $1200 machines that did little more than access a web program and Excel. Other people will buy an $800 machine to do what they could accomplish on a $200 Chromebook. Not everybody shops smart.

Despite whatever that study found about building computers, I can practically guarantee a vastly larger amount of the market is people who buy pre-made machines, whether they be towers or (the one you want to buy pre-built) laptops. Not to mention that the PC is kind of a "do everything" device, so trying to compare total general PC hardware sales to dedicated game console sales is apples to elephants. Just because somebody bought a PC doesn't mean they're going to do a lick of gaming on it.

Which comes to the next point. Inevitably, somebody, somewhere likes to bring up the 200+ million or however many total Steam users. Let's recognize what that number means though. That number exists because buying PC physical is very nearly dead. Almost nobody does it because of CD keys and the like making resale a moot point. If you game on PC even a little, odds are you have a Steam account, whether you actively use and purchase with it or not, as it is the most prominent PC gaming marketplace. The number of Steam users almost says nothing about PC gaming outside of the context of console digital marketplace numbers compared to physical purchases.

Now, PC gaming is growing in popularity, although it comes with its share of entry barriers. PC gamers really need to stop flaunting the fact that everybody owns a PC, or millions of people own a Steam account they rarely use, or the fact that free to play titles are very popular, as game console killers. The markets are still fairly separate, although they're slowly merging with things like Fallout 4's mod support, and Microsoft's attempt to basically make the Xbox One and PC a singular idea.

It needs to be accepted that PC gaming is slowly growing, with home consoles having the better part of a 20 year head start before many game console developers started taking PC seriously. Many console focused game developers are still taking their first real leaps into PC gaming, or are just learning what it means to optimize for varied PC hardware despite multiple PC releases. PC is not yet a gaming juggernaut. It is not yet gaming nirvana. By the time it reaches that point, I feel like game consoles will be more of a budget PC option than they basically already are anyways, which will essentially eliminate the debate between consoles and PC in the long term.



 

Dusk said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
I see many unnecessarily defensive people, most PC gamers don't use this news to downplay console gaming, but just to answer to people that downplayed PC gaming or even declared it d0m3d.
About The Witcher 3 and other AAA titles: yes, but without PC The Witcher series wouldn't exist at all. AAA titles, unless heavily moneyhatted, nowadays need every major platform audience available to maximise profits, and while maybe two platforms could be enough to break even and make some profit too, why give up additional profits? And so, if a dev relies on publishers and investors, they'll surely explicitly ask for every version that will likely generate profits. Even more so considering that even the best titles have some probability to partially flop anyway, so maximising potential profit can also avoid that a sales numbers flop become a financial one too.


From my perspective. 

There isn't anything wrong with PC gaming in the slightest, but this thread isn't about legitimacy. 


Well some bragging when things go well and better than expected is fine, as long as people avoid being pesky with or even insulting others.
About the real strength of PC gaming, maybe it's still true that old estimate that said that amongst the over 1B PC users, around 30% are PC gamers too to some level, from totally casual to hardcore, and arounf 1/3 of them, around 10% of users, are more dedicated gamers. It would be quite coherent with games sales, also taking into account different tastes of PC gaming audience.



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Awesome. Makes me happy.

I play both Pc and console. However, i do find PC vastly superior. There's much more freedom regarding settings, better sales, no paywall for online, free games (that you actually own), the best backwards compatibility, use of almost any controller ever (I use ps, snes, n64, gc, xbox controllers), potential for better visuals and performance (and not at an exaggerated cost like stated above), and most of all it is a pc that has a plethora of other functions.

Still, consoles are great too, and I guess i can see why someone would never try to switch to pc. I'm glad I did, though.



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Who cares about PCs? Them shitty boxes can't match the PS4 ever! 3rd Party will never support it!



Dusk said:
Samus Aran said:
Why do people want to exclude MMO and MOBA?

Some people are really threatened by the growth of PC gaming it seems.


No, but the majority of them are F2P so that doesn't follow suit. There is of course the micro transactions that go with, but then it's gotta be compared directly to games that do the same. 

microtransactions like in a lot of AAA games on consoles?   mobas normaly dont give you any advantage if you buy skins or other stuff, unlike AAA games like Evolve--



zero129 said:
GTstation said:

Well yahh pc market spends more on hardware, you payed 2k for hardware to play a inferior version of a game i play on a $300 console. Makes no sense to me but to each their own.

Where do the game sale most ? says enough to me.

Exactly how to you figure that out?,a 500$ PC got today would easy outperfom the PS4 when it comes to 3rd party games and does (Unless you think cos batman = all games?? if so thats just silly). Also i have never ever spend 2k on my pc but i love how thats always the defence stance with console only gamers. It costs like 2k to outperfom my 300 console, You cant plug your pc into your tv (Even when thats what im using mine on now) you cant use joypads etc etc. So many mis facts and lies gets spread by console only gamers against pc its not even funny just sad...

Bullshit.... I just assambled a fairly good, mid-end PC worth 800 euros, and guess what, it has issues running Witcher 3 on highest settings in 1080p. Of course, the guy could have opted for a cheaper mask, smaller HDD and no SSD, but then what the fuck are we talking about? Truth is, if you want a gaimg rig (and only the rig itself) that lasts you 3 years for gaming and get some work squeezed out on it, get ready to spend some 1000 euros.

I am not saying it is a bad investment, but it is a fact that hardware wise a gaming PC is far more expensive then a console. And a 500$ PC is a low-end garbage bin, that you should be ready to invest in in a year or so. I love PC gaming, and I probably played more on PC then consoles in the last 3-4 years, but lets be honest here. Games are cheaper, true, but so are used or older games on consoles...



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zero129 said:
GTstation said:

Well yahh pc market spends more on hardware, you payed 2k for hardware to play a inferior version of a game i play on a $300 console. Makes no sense to me but to each their own.

Where do the game sale most ? says enough to me.

Exactly how to you figure that out?,a 500$ PC got today would easy outperfom the PS4 when it comes to 3rd party games and does (Unless you think cos batman = all games?? if so thats just silly). Also i have never ever spend 2k on my pc but i love how thats always the defence stance with console only gamers. It costs like 2k to outperfom my 300 console, You cant plug your pc into your tv (Even when thats what im using mine on now) you cant use joypads etc etc. So many mis facts and lies gets spread by console only gamers against pc its not even funny just sad...



Why you gotta say wrong stuff like that? Makes it hard to take you seriously.

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generic-user-1 said:
Dusk said:
Samus Aran said:
Why do people want to exclude MMO and MOBA?

Some people are really threatened by the growth of PC gaming it seems.


No, but the majority of them are F2P so that doesn't follow suit. There is of course the micro transactions that go with, but then it's gotta be compared directly to games that do the same. 

microtransactions like in a lot of AAA games on consoles?   mobas normaly dont give you any advantage if you buy skins or other stuff, unlike AAA games like Evolve--

Who cares lol, the microtransactions in League of Legends probably makes more money than all the microtransactions on consoles combined.

http://www.pcgamer.com/league-of-legends-has-made-almost-1-billion-in-microtransactions/