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Mr Puggsly on 13 September 2015
UltimateGamerConsole said:

Also to Mr Puggsly, Halo 4 looks quite unimpressive even in front of Killzone 3, let alone the PS3's best. I'd say GTA V is the best looking game on Xbox 360 even though its not exclusive.

You should play more Halo 4 I guess, because youre wrong.

Also, Halo 4 is a larger scale game. You guys keep comparing Killzone with games that push more assets.



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DonFerrari on 13 September 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
UltimateGamerConsole said:

Also to Mr Puggsly, Halo 4 looks quite unimpressive even in front of Killzone 3, let alone the PS3's best. I'd say GTA V is the best looking game on Xbox 360 even though its not exclusive.

You should play more Halo 4 I guess, because youre wrong.

Also, Halo 4 is a larger scale game. You guys keep comparing Killzone with games that push more assets.


Probably you too are talking about different aspects of the graphics... because yes on a balance Halo 4 would perhaps go closer to scale and Killzone to photo realism. To anyone uninformed they could think that it's due a very weaker HW or gen difference.

 

 

 

I certainly wouldn't say that there is a gen (or even half gen) difference between the 2 first, like there is to the third pic... but you can't deny that Killzone on a screenshot is a lot more impressive than Halo



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Mr Puggsly on 13 September 2015
DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You should play more Halo 4 I guess, because youre wrong.

Also, Halo 4 is a larger scale game. You guys keep comparing Killzone with games that push more assets.


Probably you too are talking about different aspects of the graphics... because yes on a balance Halo 4 would perhaps go closer to scale and Killzone to photo realism. To anyone uninformed they could think that it's due a very weaker HW or gen difference

I certainly wouldn't say that there is a gen (or even half gen) difference between the 2 first, like there is to the third pic... but you can't deny that Killzone on a screenshot is a lot more impressive than Halo

I've played all the PS3 games known for their graphics. And my feeling has generally been these games look great, but feel small in scale.

Hence, smaller levels can focus on greater detail.

Looking at a picture I see Killzone has more polish. But the amount of characters and size of the environments in Halo 4 were another level than Killzone. I say that as some who owns those games.

Bottom line, I think we can agree the generation apart in graphics comment is nonsense. Personally I feel BF4 on PS3 is more impressive than Killzone. That's a game that made me feel these 7th gen machines are capable of alot.

On a side note, Killzone on PS2 had horrible, bland, graphics. Certainly not the benchmark for 6th gen or even PS2 graphics.



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DonFerrari on 14 September 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:


Probably you too are talking about different aspects of the graphics... because yes on a balance Halo 4 would perhaps go closer to scale and Killzone to photo realism. To anyone uninformed they could think that it's due a very weaker HW or gen difference

I certainly wouldn't say that there is a gen (or even half gen) difference between the 2 first, like there is to the third pic... but you can't deny that Killzone on a screenshot is a lot more impressive than Halo

I've played all the PS3 games known for their graphics. And my feeling has generally been these games look great, but feel small in scale.

Hence, smaller levels can focus on greater detail.

Looking at a picture I see Killzone has more polish. But the amount of characters and size of the environments in Halo 4 were another level than Killzone. I say that as some who owns those games.

Bottom line, I think we can agree the generation apart in graphics comment is nonsense. Personally I feel BF4 on PS3 is more impressive than Killzone. That's a game that made me feel these 7th gen machines are capable of alot.

On a side note, Killzone on PS2 had horrible, bland, graphics. Certainly not the benchmark for 6th gen or even PS2 graphics.

Agree with everything... just justified that for a uninformed person that just saw a screenshot of Halo and KZ it would appear KZ is on a lot more powerfull machine, but as you said it was used to other important tasks... but we can't expect common customer to evaluate correctly



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UltimateGamerConsole on 14 September 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
UltimateGamerConsole said:

Also to Mr Puggsly, Halo 4 looks quite unimpressive even in front of Killzone 3, let alone the PS3's best. I'd say GTA V is the best looking game on Xbox 360 even though its not exclusive.

You should play more Halo 4 I guess, because youre wrong.

Also, Halo 4 is a larger scale game. You guys keep comparing Killzone with games that push more assets.

It does, but that doesn't make up for the huge difference in detail. Also, GTA V is more open-world than Halo 4, and still looks way better, so my point stands.

Technically, I think GTA V and God Of War III are the most impressive games on 7th gen that still hold up to most current-gen games.



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Mr Puggsly on 14 September 2015
UltimateGamerConsole said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You should play more Halo 4 I guess, because youre wrong.

Also, Halo 4 is a larger scale game. You guys keep comparing Killzone with games that push more assets.

It does, but that doesn't make up for the huge difference in detail. Also, GTA V is more open-world than Halo 4, and still looks way better, so my point stands.

Technically, I think GTA V and God Of War III are the most impressive games on 7th gen that still hold up to most current-gen games.

I think Halo 4 pushing more assets absolutely makes up for a visual disparity. Smaller area, less assets, extra polish.

GTAV looks amazing for a 7th gen open world game. But also has alot of spots that underwhelm. Like low poly models at the titty bars.

God of War has some great visuals, but again a small scale game with a fixed camera. God of War Acession looks even better, but another small scale game with a fixed camera.



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Pavolink on 14 September 2015
Lawlight said:
fatslob-:O said:
It really did setback the industry when you think about it ...

Delays and etc became more frequent because of it and are people here really going to argue against senior programmers and engineers who know better than everyone else when it comes to the technical side of game development ?


And now there are less delays, right? And we've advanced so much since then gaming wise, right?


Then the new consoles have failed, too.



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Lawlight on 14 September 2015
Pavolink said:
Lawlight said:


And now there are less delays, right? And we've advanced so much since then gaming wise, right?


Then the new consoles have failed, too.


Except every dev talking about development on the PS4 says how easy it is to develop games on it.



Pavolink on 14 September 2015
Lawlight said:
Pavolink said:


Then the new consoles have failed, too.


Except every dev talking about development on the PS4 says how easy it is to develop games on it.

But we still have delays, so it must be a lie.



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DonFerrari on 14 September 2015
Pavolink said:
Lawlight said:


And now there are less delays, right? And we've advanced so much since then gaming wise, right?


Then the new consoles have failed, too.


There are several places on GoW3 that the scale is tremendous (like the Titans opening scene, but sure they cut some on the enemy count there).



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