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I think he's trying to say that the industry just wasn't ready for the Cell Broadband processor. The industry hadn't caught up with that kind of technology. Or better yet all publishers and developers outside of Sony didn't know what to do with the processor so they just said screw it in a dumbed down version of games for the system until late in the gen.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Eddie_Raja said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Naughty Dog and Killzone games look good, but not that good. I'd argue games like Gears 3 and Halo 4 were at par and more technically impressive. 

I am just gonna have to vehimantly disagree with you on that one.  My friends who had 360's actually told be they thought the 360's games looked almost a gen behind, so I was being nice with what I said/think.

When it comes to technically impressive - Killzone 2 with 32 players and far better physics and lighting makes 10-player Gears look downright simplistic.

Gears 1 looks dated and should, its from 2006. Gears 2 raised the bar on scale, it was able to push a lot more on screen while maintaining great performance. Gears 3 added a lot more polish.

Killzone games on PS3 look very impressive for the 7th gen, but they don't look a generation ahead. Far Cry 3 and 4 are overall better looking games and open world.

They don't get much attention but the Battlefield 4 and Hardline look pretty good on 7th gen. They impress me more than the Killzone games.


Well like I said those were my friends with 360's.  At its best the PS3 looked half a gen ahead imo.

 Sure FC3 and Battlefield 4 look good for their generation, but they also run at like 20 FPS as they struggle to keep up with next gen consoles 6 and 12 times stronger.

But I do still think Killzone 3, Uncharted 3, and TLoU are the best looking games on PS3 - and they keep 30 FPS.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Lastgengamer said:

Wouldn't the cell's multi-threaded visual effects offloading ability have helped devs to learn and be more ready for GPUs that support GPGPU computing and not to mention the multi core processors that are in the Xbox1 and PS4?

AMD said that cell's spu's had an influence on the development of compute.



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XanderXT said:
fireburn95 said:
Sony's studios got to grips with it pretty well, because they took the time and invested into r&d instead of expecting cookies on a platter. That churned out many great looking ps3 exclusives, some of which, arguably, looked better than a lot of PC games at the time. Games like GOW3, Uncharted 2&3, Beyond all won the yearly Best graphics categories.

Not necessarily. I remember hearing somewhere that Naughty Dog had trouble with Uncharted 3 because there was a chance a PS3 playing it would overheat. It took until a few days before it went Gold to fix it.


And they fixed it. And they managed to squeeze even more power/ability out of it with another game 2 years later (tlou)



ArchangelMadzz said:



Lets not forget this gem that cost $100 million 


That seems to be speculation, I can't find any source proving that.

I actually played this game and I just don't believe it. I mean MS funded the first Gears with a relatively small budget. Yet they threw a fortune at this at this mess? its void of all logic.



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Eddie_Raja said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Gears 1 looks dated and should, its from 2006. Gears 2 raised the bar on scale, it was able to push a lot more on screen while maintaining great performance. Gears 3 added a lot more polish.

Killzone games on PS3 look very impressive for the 7th gen, but they don't look a generation ahead. Far Cry 3 and 4 are overall better looking games and open world.

They don't get much attention but the Battlefield 4 and Hardline look pretty good on 7th gen. They impress me more than the Killzone games.


Well like I said those were my friends with 360's.  At its best the PS3 looked half a gen ahead imo.

 Sure FC3 and Battlefield 4 look good for their generation, but they also run at like 20 FPS as they struggle to keep up with next gen consoles 6 and 12 times stronger.

But I do still think Killzone 3, Uncharted 3, and TLoU are the best looking games on PS3 - and they keep 30 FPS.

FC3 and FC4 frame rate struggled on 7th gen (mostly PS3), but they were open world. Hence, a lot more happening than a linear series like Killzone.

BF4 held solid 30 fps on 7th gen. They also pushed very impressive visuals with large and more detailed enviornments than Killzone 2 or 3.

Also, lets not forget the Crysis series was around on 7th gen, those were nice looking games that also pushed more technically demanding enviornments than Killzone 2/3. The Killzone games are amongst the most polished looking 7th gen games but they were also linear games.

TLoU dipped below 30 fps often, sometimes to the lower 20s. Killzone 3 maintained 30 fps quite well. Uncharted 3, another linear game, held 30 fps pretty well. But that doesn't make them a generation ahead, not even half.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
PS3 was more powerful than the 360. Of course its exclusives by developers dedicated solely to making PS3 games looked better than 360 games. It doesn't change what this 3rd party developer of multiplatform games is saying.

Actually, when you bring up the exclusives, you're kind of proving his point, because you're purposely ignoring the enormous amount of 3rd party titles that again, even though the PS3 was more powerful, almost always looked or performed better on the 360. Yes, we all know Naughty Dog and GG games looked good. But that's irrelevant. I'm sure if DICE were given years to dedicate solely to PS3, they'd have gotten better looking and performing games onto PS3 easier. But they had other platforms to worry about as well.

Well 360 had technical advantages. The 360 GPU is generally considered superior and its unified memory allowed developers to use memory in ways best for their games. Bethesda claims much of their issues with Skyrim on PS3 was due to the split memory.

Peronsally, I got the impression Sony managed to push great graphics out of PS3 because that was a focus they had. Nintendo does a great job at pushing great graphics out of limited specs as well.

In my opinion Battlefield 4 on 7th gen is much more impressive game than Killzone 3. Its pushing more out of those console so it simply can't look as polished as Killzone 3. Killzone 3 is a smaller scale game.



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Ruler said:
walsufnir said:
Ruler said:

Yes it tottally desevred games like Uncharted 2, 3, The Last of Us, MGS4 who look all better than those Multiplats from Dice. 

MGS4 alone looks better than every Xbox 360 game, it looks pretty much like MGS5 and both games are seperated by 7 yeas

It's ok to have opinions but... well, it's obvious to everyone reading this.

They could easily release a Remaster of this game and it would be next Gen

That Octocamo Picture isn't helping your case. It's so blurry.



fireburn95 said:
XanderXT said:
fireburn95 said:
Sony's studios got to grips with it pretty well, because they took the time and invested into r&d instead of expecting cookies on a platter. That churned out many great looking ps3 exclusives, some of which, arguably, looked better than a lot of PC games at the time. Games like GOW3, Uncharted 2&3, Beyond all won the yearly Best graphics categories.

Not necessarily. I remember hearing somewhere that Naughty Dog had trouble with Uncharted 3 because there was a chance a PS3 playing it would overheat. It took until a few days before it went Gold to fix it.

And they fixed it. And they managed to squeeze even more power/ability out of it with another game 2 years later (tlou)

if it was pretty well, then they wouldn't have that problem. It's obvious even they had problems.



Mr Puggsly said:
ArchangelMadzz said:



Lets not forget this gem that cost $100 million 


That seems to be speculation, I can't find any source proving that.

I actually played this game and I just don't believe it. I mean MS funded the first Gears with a relatively small budget. Yet they threw a fortune at this at this mess? its void of all logic.

LOL it doesn't always make sense.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]