Sorry, I should be a little more clear: if you're buying U4 for the MP and the MP happens to be fucked, my suggestion is you buy a different game with MP that isn't fucked.

good advice

Very few of them make the game any different.

Never played Uncharted online,but you don't have to pay for any of those things so it's not a big deal.People want games to have MP and then complain about the business model as if PC games have not had micro transactions for years.This is no different than new COD map packs,which cost more overall.

People that argue that this only happens because people are happy to pay micro transactions, and that they don't mind because they don't are only semi-grasping the point.

Think back to Goldeneye 64. Think of all the skins you could access, all the guns you could use. Then think about the skins, guns and perks you could obtain through in-game cheats.

Now imagine that half of all of them could only be obtained by paying extra for the game on top of your $60 for the title, and your $60 for PS+ for the year.

THATS what is happening here. Things are being withheld from the game so that they can be sold later. You don't buy them? Fine. While you're busy laughing at those that do, you're missing the fact that you'd have more content if gamers were unwilling to put up with this.

This is FAR from a Naughty Dog specific problem, but they have gotten an absolute free-pass because their single player remains epic, and their multiplayer forgettable.

What's happening here, is people refused to listen to folks saying removing mod tools and server control years ago, was a bad idea.  What's happening here, is people refused to listen to the folks who said buying into PS+ and XBL, was a bad idea.  What's happening here, is people were warned, countless times, that this was setting a bad precedent by PC Gamer's, and ignored, called trolls, etc... and now they're complaining about it, after they bought into it.  What should've happened, is people should've demanded mod support on console.  People should've demanded, local server options, on console.  They didn't, and...well...

Basically, people are trying to find anyone else to point a finger at, but themselves.  As I've said, at least hundreds of times now, people being split up into their different tribal groups, may be fun on the message boards.  But, in the bigger picture, some have greater experience than others(Or maybe just a different perspective, doesn't have to be experience), and may not just be talking out of their ass.

Yeah, it'd be really damn hard to effect DLC, by boycotting it.  But, that's literally the only option, now that everyone bought into it.  As long as they can make money from it, they will continue to do it.  If the money stops flowing, that particular shady tactic, will peter out and die.  But, as consumers, we must remain vigilant and aware of the tricks business will pull.  Hopefully, people will learn this lesson, this generation.  They probably won't, but, we can hope.

And Sorry Cone, I realize the above may include you in some way shape or form, but I really have very little sympathy for gamer's in this particular issue.

I've bought all the games as physical discs, never knew i had micro transactions until this thread. I never went looking for them either, nor played any multiplayer. I did wonder where all the extra unlockables of the first game went, the ones you get for playing the game. I guess now I know.

Huh? Didn't notice. Honestly it is a bigger deal for multiplayer centric games.

I never played TLOU so I am glad I didn't support the pay2vvin in that game.

If Uncharted 4 has it then so be it I trust the franchise.

Actually yes. Play a different game if you don't like it. Or at least skip the multiplayer.

Look, I think we can all agree it's pretty shoddy to offer pay-to-win aspects especially in multiplayer but as bad form as it is if there is a market for it then why shouldn't ND or any company tap that market? Especially if they deliver in other aspects that satisfy their customers? Whining about these things does no good but add to the cacophony of gamers who are always whining about something but not willing to put their money where their mouth is. Nothing says you mean business more than voting with your wallet. Sure it can help to attach a statement to that vote so that developers can get a clear sense of why you don't buy their game(s) but it's about the money which is the single greatest bit of feedback you can give to those selling a product. Hyperbole like "ND's greed is out of control." Doesn't help either just makes gamers look like imbeciles.

In this case ND is a rare exception in so far as they actually deliver fabulous, complete single player experiences that most can't miss and they add multiplayer on top of it. Which, btw is usually pretty damned good in it's own right but yeah they also monetize the hell out of it and if they can get some extra funds out of it they have no problem doing so.

I find this whole subject to be a mole hill made into a mountain. I don't spend money on DLC, especially so when it is pay to win, so I could really care less about how ND monetizes their DLC. But I do care about the gaming community and I do care about how immature many of us tend to approach these subjects. I say grow the eff up and stop whining about everything and use the power of the purse/wallet  to send your messages to developers. It's much more effective than hyperbole posted in the GAF forums.

This is a tricky topic. I just noticed that you can buy weapons and vehicles via "shortcuts" in Battlefield 4 TODAY. I don't think most people too much attention to DLC or Micro-transactions. To those people, the game isn't altered or ruined in any way because they simply don't know any better. I don't care if some noob has a high powered gun or tank, Ill play and level up the old fashioned way. Truth is I don't know how they got their gear but it doesn't really affect me in the slightest, skill still wins at the end of the day. Id wager its the same for most of these other games.

I've always considered DLC to be for hardcore fans. Most DLC can be ignored and it wont ruin the game. Case in point all the Battlefield 4 expansions, you don't necessarily need them to get the full B4 experience. Same with Mortal Kombat X. Im not losing any sleep over not being able to play as Tremor, Tanya, Jason or the Predator. DLC also helps publishers by maintaining or reigniting interest in their games and keeping players invested until their next product ships.

Microtransactions are a bit more complicated. I think these are used by more casual players who would never take the time to do things the proper way. So even with those perks I don't expect them to be particularly good at the game, they wont be much of a threat at all. Devs probably use micro-transactions as a lucrative and easy way to get new players hooked. Over time those players may learn how to respect the game and play it properly.

In summary. DLC offers more content to the most dedicated and enthusiastic fans, Microtransactions are for casuals who don't have time to progress the regular way, and everyone else can simply ignore both and still have a good time.