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zorg1000 on 10 September 2015
Soundwave said:

In a weird way this AppleTV is more of an evolution of the original Wii with the natural marriage of that idea with casual smartphone/tablet games. Motion controller, tons of casual games, a few deeper types of games beyond that.

Even media consumption was huge on the first Wii at one point it was the no.1 device for Netflix viewing in America before people started to jump ship on the hardware. 

It's kinda like the Wii 2/Wii HD that never was.

 

Yep this is basically what Wii U should have been, and that's what I've been talking about when I say Nintendo didn't need to try reinventing the wheel again and simply use a controller that was an updated Wii Remote. I honestly believe there is a market for games that fall between freemium mobile titles and $60 AAA console titles, a market Nintendo had with the Wii but failed to hold onto, this device and possibly NX can potentially own such a market.



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Dr.Vita on 10 September 2015

I hope that it will flop so hard...




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fleischr on 10 September 2015
Soundwave said:
fleischr said:
The #1 thing that sells Apple products is a seamless, simplified user experience. As a gaming device, Apple TV has a MAJOR chink in it's armor.

Since Apple is still yet relying on 3rd party MFi controllers for 'gaming', the UX for gaming on Apple TV is going to be a mess. Differences in firmware, software, and overall quality of the controllers will cause confusion in the marketplace - especially among casual gamers. Any variance of these things can ruin a gaming experience.

I'm surprised Apple wouldn't try to design and market their own controller. I thought they had world-class industrial designers?


It does have a controller, the remote. 

The focus will mostly be casual games here obviously, but if/when more and more deeper games come along, that's where the third party pads come in.

Also significant is that third party controller Apple is pushing is actually reasonably priced ($49.99, unlike the ridiculous $100 controllers from other companies). 


The remote clearly isn't really meant for much more than Wii-sports like games. It doesn't even have buttons for gaming!

Why they're pushing a 3rd party tradtional controller rather than their own is still really puzzling - just by lacking the Apple branding alone it'll confuse the customer regardless of what the price is or however good it may be. Until Apple puts out their own true gaming controller, Apple TV has no more depth in the console market than what they already have.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016

Conina on 10 September 2015
XanderXT said:
Soundwave said:

There will probably be more controller support for games if Apple TV sells decently (which I think it will). Wouldn't take a whole lot to add physical controls a lot of iOS games.

There's the fact that touch controls and physical controls feel very differently. You can't expect a game meant to be played using a touchscreen to respond as well when it uses controllers.

It's also a fact that there are already over 700 iOS games with controller support: https://mfigamelist.afterpad.com/allgames

For some of them the controller support is an afterthought, but many of them already work better with a bluetooth game controller and the touch screen input is only an optional compromise (especially the ports from PC/consoles like SW:KoTOR, Bioshock, GTA San Andreas...). https://mfigamelist.afterpad.com/best

With the new AppleTV, the number of games with good controller support will climb even faster than until now. More iOS-games than before will add local multiplayer and use other features that made not so much sense on iPhones or iPads.



XanderXT on 11 September 2015
Soundwave said:
XanderXT said:
Soundwave said:

There will probably be more controller support for games if Apple TV sells decently (which I think it will). Wouldn't take a whole lot to add physical controls a lot of iOS games.

There's the fact that touch controls and physical controls feel very differently. You can't expect a game meant to be played using a touchscreen to respond as well when it uses controllers.

Seems like that Apple Remote with the touch panel on it does a decent job of allowing touch-only games to be playable on the TV (ie: Crossy Road). 

Are you telling me people will buy an Apple TV for Crossy Road, a  Frogger ripoff?



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Soundwave on 11 September 2015
XanderXT said:
Soundwave said:
XanderXT said:
Soundwave said:

There will probably be more controller support for games if Apple TV sells decently (which I think it will). Wouldn't take a whole lot to add physical controls a lot of iOS games.

There's the fact that touch controls and physical controls feel very differently. You can't expect a game meant to be played using a touchscreen to respond as well when it uses controllers.

Seems like that Apple Remote with the touch panel on it does a decent job of allowing touch-only games to be playable on the TV (ie: Crossy Road). 

Are you telling me people will buy an Apple TV for Crossy Road, a  Frogger ripoff?

People already buy the AppleTV for just the TV features. At 6-7 million sales/year the last three straight years with the old model (that has basically no marketing), that crushes Wii U sales and is equal more or less to Microsoft's XBox One pace. 

And Apple isn't even trying. 

No one buys an iPhone for Clash of Clans. That doesn't mean a lot of people don't enjoy a game like that on their iPhone though. 



Soundwave on 11 September 2015
zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

In a weird way this AppleTV is more of an evolution of the original Wii with the natural marriage of that idea with casual smartphone/tablet games. Motion controller, tons of casual games, a few deeper types of games beyond that.

Even media consumption was huge on the first Wii at one point it was the no.1 device for Netflix viewing in America before people started to jump ship on the hardware. 

It's kinda like the Wii 2/Wii HD that never was.

 

Yep this is basically what Wii U should have been, and that's what I've been talking about when I say Nintendo didn't need to try reinventing the wheel again and simply use a controller that was an updated Wii Remote. I honestly believe there is a market for games that fall between freemium mobile titles and $60 AAA console titles, a market Nintendo had with the Wii but failed to hold onto, this device and possibly NX can potentially own such a market.


NX isn't owning anything if they decide to go head to head. 

$1/free games

Versus 

$40-$60 games 

Pretty easy decision for casuals. That's why Nintendo has abandoned the casual space, because they know Apple has poisoned the well for them so to speak. 

Yes they could have made a dirt cheap Wii with a Wiimote, but they could not keep their traditional console pricing model if they wanted to be relevant to that audience any longer. 

Apple has devalued the "Wii" style of gaming so that people now expect it for free or $1 max. You could see it with that Wii Sports/music game rip-off at the Apple event, in today's market that game can only sell for $1. Competing against Apple for casuals is a death sentence. They'd have a better chance just making a balls to the wall hardcore console and trying to overtake Microsoft for a semi-comfortable no.2 spot in the console business than try to go head on with Apple for casuals. 



XanderXT on 11 September 2015
Conina said:
XanderXT said:
Soundwave said:

There will probably be more controller support for games if Apple TV sells decently (which I think it will). Wouldn't take a whole lot to add physical controls a lot of iOS games.

There's the fact that touch controls and physical controls feel very differently. You can't expect a game meant to be played using a touchscreen to respond as well when it uses controllers.

It's also a fact that there are already over 700 iOS games with controller support: https://mfigamelist.afterpad.com/allgames

For some of them the controller support is an afterthought, but many of them already work better with a bluetooth game controller and the touch screen input is only an optional compromise (especially the ports from PC/consoles like SW:KoTOR, Bioshock, GTA San Andreas...). https://mfigamelist.afterpad.com/best

With the new AppleTV, the number of games with good controller support will climb even faster than until now. More iOS-games than before will add local multiplayer and use other features that made not so much sense on iPhones or iPads.

GTA San ANdreas does't have the cheats though....