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Soundwave said:

Retail is still a big part of Japanese culture, lining up at the Akihibira district to get a new games, etc. etc. It's not like the US. 

I was in Japan earlier this year, it's really eye opening actually. Arcades are still a huuuuuuge deal there, they're everywhere. 

Even porn shops (lol), full *floors* of physical DVDs still, I was kind of like "do they know you can get porn on the internet now?". And this is not like one speciality store of something, this is a staple of their retail enviornment. 

Beyond that I really doubt on the 3DS/Wii U (the relevant Nintendo platforms) that digital downloads of games are maybe 10-15% at best.

Also loathe it or not, Miyamoto has said he still considers games to be like toys, and he likes that they have a physical connection to people:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-13-miyamoto-nintendos-game-ownership-policy-should-operate-like-a-toy-company

"What's really important is viewing Nintendo almost like a toy company where we're making these things for people to play with," he said. "As a consumer you want to be able to keep those things for a long time and have those things from your youth that you can go back to and experience again.

 

I don't honestly care one way or another, I just don't see it happening. 


I think that has more to do with physical being the primary form of advertized media on those systems, rather than because they are preffered as a form of media period.

Nothing in that quote indicates a reluctance to go all digital or a preference to physical media. "Things to play with" describes every game he's ever made, and "keep those things for a long time" can refer to digital games as well. You can "go back" and place VC games you played when you were younger, as many do.

I see it happening next year.



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Or this might be like MGS V PC physical disc which contains steam key. In NX the card might act as key to download games. Who knows what Nintendo is planning.



spemanig said:
Nautilus said:

It wont be all digital.Nintendo is an innovative company, but that would be just a dumb move.It will fracture its fan base, and lose more support.We dont know the whole story, we are missing something that nintendo is not sharing.


No, we aren't. Nintendo is looking at the modern era, where everything but consoles has a massively successful all digital product, and are following the obvious improvements that would bring. We do know the full story. Nintendo has wanted to go digital since the launch of the Wii U with the DDP. This is their hard turn in that direction.

It would bring more harm than good.First because there are people like me that dont buy digital, for different reasons, and they would lose this audience for a silly reason.Second is that they would ruin their relation with retailers and such, as Soundwave has said.And third:its an unnecessary gamble that Nintendo would take.If a company wants to make a digital only game, just do it.There is nothing preventing it

Nintendo is not in a position, like it was with Wii, to take a huge chance and end up with a  second console failed in a row.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
spemanig said:


No, we aren't. Nintendo is looking at the modern era, where everything but consoles has a massively successful all digital product, and are following the obvious improvements that would bring. We do know the full story. Nintendo has wanted to go digital since the launch of the Wii U with the DDP. This is their hard turn in that direction.

It would bring more harm than good.First because there are people like me that dont buy digital, for different reasons, and they would lose this audience for a silly reason.Second is that they would ruin their relation with retailers and such, as Soundwave has said.And third:its an unnecessary gamble that Nintendo would take.If a company wants to make a digital only game, just do it.There is nothing preventing it

Nintendo is not in a position, like it was with Wii, to take a huge chance and end up with a  second console failed in a row.


Sometimes you just have to roll the dice. 



spemanig said:
Soundwave said:

Retail is still a big part of Japanese culture, lining up at the Akihibira district to get a new games, etc. etc. It's not like the US. 

I was in Japan earlier this year, it's really eye opening actually. Arcades are still a huuuuuuge deal there, they're everywhere. 

Even porn shops (lol), full *floors* of physical DVDs still, I was kind of like "do they know you can get porn on the internet now?". And this is not like one speciality store of something, this is a staple of their retail enviornment. 

Beyond that I really doubt on the 3DS/Wii U (the relevant Nintendo platforms) that digital downloads of games are maybe 10-15% at best.

Also loathe it or not, Miyamoto has said he still considers games to be like toys, and he likes that they have a physical connection to people:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-13-miyamoto-nintendos-game-ownership-policy-should-operate-like-a-toy-company

"What's really important is viewing Nintendo almost like a toy company where we're making these things for people to play with," he said. "As a consumer you want to be able to keep those things for a long time and have those things from your youth that you can go back to and experience again.

 

I don't honestly care one way or another, I just don't see it happening. 


I think that has more to do with physical being the primary form of advertized media on those systems, rather than because they are preffered as a form of media period.

Nothing in that quote indicates a reluctance to go all digital or a preference to physical media. "Things to play with" describes every game he's ever made, and "keep those things for a long time" can refer to digital games as well. You can "go back" and place VC games you played when you were younger, as many do.

I see it happening next year.


I don't really see what that would be based on though. 

90% of Nintendo's software sales even now are physical, and given that they are a notoriously stubborn, old fashioned, company that tends to fixate on the kids market (giving a kid a voucher card for a game for Christmas for example ... not exactly the same as getting Mario 3D World in a box) ... I just don't really see any inkling that they would go full bore in this direction. 



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Nintendo knows that the gaming industry marketshare per region is really worth noting, Japan is considerably smaller market now compared in the past, hence going all digital because Japan has it trending doesn't mean the whole world would really follow soon. Keeping retail disc or if they want like the 3Ds as long as the capacity and read/writes are great for their upcoming console and doesn't look like an obsolete technology from early 2000s, then people would embrace it.
I'm okay with 3Ds cart type of games, maybe upgraded version of it and can store large GBs of data for bigger games.



Nautilus said:

It would bring more harm than good.First because there are people like me that dont buy digital, for different reasons, and they would lose this audience for a silly reason.Second is that they would ruin their relation with retailers and such, as Soundwave has said.And third:its an unnecessary gamble that Nintendo would take.If a company wants to make a digital only game, just do it.There is nothing preventing it

Nintendo is not in a position, like it was with Wii, to take a huge chance and end up with a  second console failed in a row.


People like you are, first, in the minority, and second, fickle. If gaming begame all digital, 99% of people who prefer physical wouldn't give a shit and keep gaming reguardless. 99% of people who like Nintendo wouldn't look at a new Metroid on the NX and say "NOPE! No disc, no buy!" They'd shut the hell up and deal with it because the games are what matter.

As I have said, it wouldn't ruin anything with anyone. There are measures that can be done like I've mentioned, and frankly, even if they weren't done, it wouldn't matter because Nintendo doesn't need retailers. Do retailers stop the iPod, or the Kindle, or PCs, or literally any other digital content ditributor from rendering their physical competitors largely obsolete? No. They are all more successful, make more money, and retailers just deal with it.

And the most annoying thing is when people say it's a gamble. It's not a gamble. It's not a risk. It's literally a giant red sign reading *GET THE FUCKING HINT ALREADY.* It's already been proven massively successful and superior on every single form of media including gaming with PC. Consoles are literally the last man standing that hasn't gotten with the times in this reguard, and Nintendo doing is literally the easiest and most obvious move towards success. If you don't like it, you can just get a PS4 or XBO and buy physical there, like the millions who still buy books. Doesn't stop Kindle, ebooks, and the iPad from being massively successful anyway. Won't stop the NX.

If the NX fails, it will not be because it went digital, just like the Wii U didn't fail because it added a screen to its controller.



"The NX going digital will screw over retailers and they'll never go for it."

*Largest online retailer Amazon begins selling digital content for Wii U and 3DS games starting tomorrow*

http://nintendoeverything.com/amazon-starting-to-sell-digital-wii-u-and-3ds-content/

Oh.



90%+ of Nintendo's sales are from retail, that should tell you all you need to know.



spemanig said:
Nautilus said:

It would bring more harm than good.First because there are people like me that dont buy digital, for different reasons, and they would lose this audience for a silly reason.Second is that they would ruin their relation with retailers and such, as Soundwave has said.And third:its an unnecessary gamble that Nintendo would take.If a company wants to make a digital only game, just do it.There is nothing preventing it

Nintendo is not in a position, like it was with Wii, to take a huge chance and end up with a  second console failed in a row.


People like you are, first, in the minority, and second, fickle. If gaming begame all digital, 99% of people who prefer physical wouldn't give a shit and keep gaming reguardless. 99% of people who like Nintendo wouldn't look at a new Metroid on the NX and say "NOPE! No disc, no buy!" They'd shut the hell up and deal with it because the games are what matter.

As I have said, it wouldn't ruin anything with anyone. There are measures that can be done like I've mentioned, and frankly, even if they weren't done, it wouldn't matter because Nintendo doesn't need retailers. Do retailers stop the iPod, or the Kindle, or PCs, or literally any other digital content ditributor from rendering their physical competitors largely obsolete? No. They are all more successful, make more money, and retailers just deal with it.

And the most annoying thing is when people say it's a gamble. It's not a gamble. It's not a risk. It's literally a giant red sign reading *GET THE FUCKING HINT ALREADY.* It's already been proven massively successful and superior on every single form of media including gaming with PC. Consoles are literally the last man standing that hasn't gotten with the times in this reguard, and Nintendo doing is literally the easiest and most obvious move towards success. If you don't like it, you can just get a PS4 or XBO and buy physical there, like the millions who still buy books. Doesn't stop Kindle, ebooks, and the iPad from being massively successful anyway. Won't stop the NX.

If the NX fails, it will not be because it went digital, just like the Wii U didn't fail because it added a screen to its controller.

I never said that an all-digital console would never happen.I do agree with you, its kinda inevitable.While you are comparing two different types of media, music became more "popular" because of its digital distribution,even though at the same time it did get more pirated than ever.The point here is that we are not there yet.Not even close.You say im the minority, when all the numbers and statistics say otherwise.85% to 90% of games sold are physical(im getting that number out of my head.Fix it if it isnt close).And the prices of digital versions of AAA games arent cheaper to make the retailers happy.Why?Because physical is where almost all the money come from.It will come the time when digital will make for most of the sales, but we are not there.And even when that times comes, why would they not put an option to buy physical?It just dosent make sense.There will always be guys like me, that loves buying the disc,or whatever physical form it gets, and "feeling" the game in its own hands, even if we need to pay a little more.It would just be trowing money away.And yes, while i would not stop playing games just because all became digital, i would ceartanly buy less, because i like visiting stores and sometimes i buy on impulse, and its not the same thing as browsing an online store.So a no-physical console?Its a bad idea, by every angle you wish to see it.

An easy example is the early Xbox One problems.While it isnt quite exactly the same situation, i personally believe it would have a similar level of backlash from fans, as not putting a physical option would be an "anti-gamer" atitude, the same as the always online and no used game was.This is just my opinion though.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1